AJ v Ngannou

The best opponent either man beat is 2015 champ Wlad in Germany, so you've already failed on that front.

 

Both have beaten the same best opponent but looked the rest of their most notable wins.

Fury wasted 6 fights on Wilder and Chisora whilst AJ beat Parker(who beat Wilder in a one sided fight and beat Chisora twice) and beat an even better boxer than Parker in Povetkin as well.

 

Mitch throwing a jab while at the post fight presser.

redbeard wiped you off the canvas all day

 

Have dramashow and Mitch ever been posting simultaneously ?

 

Fury beat a younger, unbeaten in 11.5 years, A-side champ Wlad in his backyard. Joshua beat a 17 months older (41), winless in 2 years, KO-less in 2.5 years, B-side dethroned Wlad in London.

The wins are not close to equivalent even before we get to the ease that Fury beat Wlad compared to Joshua's confidence-sapping life and death. Neither Fury or Joshua underestimated Wlad, so that factor isn't at play. And much as you like to kid yourself, Wlad being 1 lbs lighter than he was vs Jennings 2 years prior doesn't indicate that he was in "better shape" or "more motivated".

I don't see how it's a "waste" to rematch opponents you've beaten. Beating Foreman or Lewis twice would be significantly better than beating them once as it strongly implies you have their number, and far better than beating Foreman or Lewis once and then a random contender. Elite punchers in particular, especially A-side elite punchers, are very dangerous to rematch so beating them multiple times proves a lot more than beating a Parker type. Did Usyk "waste" two fights on Joshua? Is his 2nd win meaningless? I guess you believe so.

Parker and Povetkin don't have any elite attributes. Parker hasn't stopped any of his 12 best opponents and is Chisora/Whyte level, despite his win over the Williams-Tyson version of Wilder. Povetkin was a bit better than Parker/Chisora but no great shakes, his best opponent beaten being a toss up between Whyte (who couldn't lay a glove on Fury) and Huck (who got KO'd by Cunningham) in wars.

 

Rumours are that the pair are Siamese Twins born in Matchroom General

 

You're comparing Wilder and Chisora to Lewis and Foreman!!!

Fury spent 6 fights with guys the level of Chisora and Wilder whilst AJ is beat better quality of opposition in Parker and Povetkin. It's that simple.

 

The principle should be easy to understand Mitch. Despite Wilder's Danny Williams fight against Parker, he used to be an elite right hand puncher, very athletic, very long, with elite heart and a 10 defence reign, in his backyard every time. He was a more dangerous opponent than anyone Joshua's fought barring Usyk, and a more significant victory than anyone Joshua's beat with the possible exception of 41 Wlad. Which is why Hearn/Joshua were so tentative about the fight, trying to "marinate" it like Mayweather-Pacquiao and failing miserably in the end because neither Joshua or Wilder were good enough to avoid losing three times apiece even with their A-side advantages and multiple rematches.

Parker and Povetkin are Chisora-level themselves, Parker certainly. Most on scoring sites had Parker losing to Chisora first time when he was 37 and had a ton of wars already. Chisora has two stoppages which are more impressive than any on Parker's ledger (Takam and Scott). Chisora gave a better account vs Whyte and most had him winning the first. He also outperformed Joshua 1 against Usyk and all but Byrd and Lewis against Vitali.

To put it simply, Fury dethroned two historically long-reigning champions in their backyards and is undefeated over four fights with them, whereas Joshua beat Fury leftovers final fight Wlad 17 months later in London and lost three times against Ruiz and Usyk, while failing to fight Wilder or Fury regardless of any excuses. Nobody would prefer Joshua's record over Fury's, you'd swap them in a second if you could.

Btw, if Fury beats Usyk or beats him twice, would you still rank Usyk above his 0-2 victim Joshua?

 

Fury is to blame for this nonsense if he didn’t take the fight and then box like Gary Cornish when it did happen this crossover stuff with elite boxers would have been nipped in the bud early doors.

I don’t blame AJ for taking the fight , a massive purse and a lot less risk than fighting Wilder but these fights don’t interest or get
Me excited , hopefully he fights Hrgovic soon.

 

You still not addressed any my points?

- 10 title defense but who he beat? Extreme low level opposition.

- Wilder never has beaten a truly proven world level opponent.

- Wilder got whooped by Parker in a one sided fight.

- Parker has the superior career win and overall record over Parker.

- You criticize AJ stating he hasn't beaten quality big guys. Name me one big guy that Wilder has beaten that's as good as even Wallin let alone Wlad?

 

Another day and another Mitch shocker that has Adam Smith reeling

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All of these claims have been addressed previously Mitch.

1. To make 10 defences Wilder had to beat Ortiz x2 and get a home draw with Fury, that's a tougher run than Vitali's 9 WBC defences and given that Parker's lost to Joshua, Whyte and Joyce and hasn't stopped any of his 12 best opponents including Cojanu and Fa, he couldn't have replicated Wilder's run to 42-0-1

2. Undefeated Ortiz was top 3 ranked with Transnational, top 5 with Ring, top 5 with PBO. He dominated Jennings, schooled Hammer post-Wilder 1 and KO'd Martin post-Wilder 2, which you have admitted were all "significant wins", if he's not "world class" then the category is a minuscule one

3. A badly shopworn, in poor form Mike Tyson got destroyed by domestic level Danny Williams, it doesn't erase Tyson's accomplishments

4. Parker is a relative nobody, Wilder is future Hall of Famer and the most significant American heavyweight this century thus far

5. Joshua has beaten one quality opponent around his size in dethroned Wlad, Wilder drew with the taller, longer, much heavier than himself quality opponent who schooled champ Wlad, aside from that Joshua and Wilder have mutual wins over their best similar stature opponents barring Washington (Breazeale and Helenius KO7 vs Breazeale and Helenius KO1), Wallin is smaller than Duhaupas and similarly overbilled at 6'5, furthermore Wilder has demonstrated more willingness to fight tall elite opponents than Joshua as he's fought Fury three times

 

1. Vitali has a thin record butbbeating Sanders, Adams, Chisora, Briggs and Peters is better than beating Ortiz, Spzilka Washington , Stiverne and Duhaupas.

2. You said Parker is a nobody but you claim Ortiz was good because he was 3 with Ring rankings. When AJ beat both Parker and Povetkin they were rank 3 at the time of AJ fights. Beating Jennings and Hammer as his best wins sums why he shouldn't of been ranked 3 in the first place.

3. In the words of Paul Merson "what accomplishments?" He's beaten very poor quality opponents that should never been considered for a title fight.

4. Parker beat Wilder, has a even better career win beating a better boxer than Wilder in Ruiz. Beats Chisora twice who beat 2 of Wilders best wins in Spzilka and Washington.

5. You still failed to name one opponent as big as Wallin who was as good as Wallin that Wilder had beat let alone Wlad. Plus no one believe Wilder deserves a draw in a first against out shape Fury who came out of retirement looking poor against two journeymen. As Fury team said, anyone half decent would have beaten Fury the state he was in and Wilder got a gift draw lol.

 

1. Is it? If it is the difference is marginal. I think you'd agree that Povetkin has a better record than HoF Vitali but Vitali is far more significant, just as Wilder is far more significant than Parker regardless of our interpretations of their records

2. Parker is a nobody in relative terms and so is Ortiz. So are Martin, Stiverne and Danny Williams. Ortiz's best wins when he fought Wilder were Jennings (8th), Scott (12th) and Thompson (17th) according to PBO, all of whom he dominated

3. Paul Merson lol, what a genius to quote as an authority. In terms of poor opponents, ditto Vitali. The Sosnowski's, Williams's and punching bag, no wins above club level in 4 years Briggs weren't up to anything and Chisora was Vitali's best WBC defence, who said he'd never fight Ortiz and got completely dominated three times by Fury

4. Parker basically beat the Danny Williams Tyson and this generation's Buster Douglas on his standard form by hometown MD, wowee

5. No one? You yourself claimed that the draw was legit back in 2018! Hence you gave Fury no credit for fighting Wilder, let alone beating him. "John Fury said" is no more meaningful as an argument than "Paul Merson said". Now beating Wallin is an amazing feather in AJ's cap lol, I thought you said even Babic would destroy him? Anyway, Wallin's not a big heavyweight in this era, he was clearly smaller than Joshua and he's not as good as Ortiz.

 

If Wilder makes it into the hall of fame. That wont stop Parker being a more proven, accomplished and better heavyweight. You're just going to have to suck it up little lad. Parker is far better than Wilder.