AJ v Ngannou

Wonder if AJ will try to pull the moody roadman attitude in this fight buildup? Ngannou plays it pretty straight so it won't be particularly entertaining!

 

How many fights has Fury lost by your count now? Did he lose to Wallin (TKO), Cunningham (DQ/TD) and Wilder 3 (long count) in addition to the three established losses against McDermott 1, Wilder 1 and Ngannou? Any others I'm missing?

 

The public seen the three dross fights last year and Ngannou is a huge name at this point.

Joshua's profile and image has taken a serious dent since the 1st Usyk fight.

You need to test the water at some stage with a dangerous opponent and big Francis either makes him look good or obliterates his career.

 

Two certainly due to card corruption:
John McDermott 1 - he lost by a mile.
Francis Ngannou - he lost by 2 rounds for me.

Then we have the referee skull duggery in a further 2 fights:
Wilder 1 - many a ref would have waved it off at the count of 3 and the fight took over 40 secs to restart after Fury went down.
Wallin - if that cut was on Wallin or any other underdog, that fight is waved off within 3 minutes.

I actually edged the fight to Wilder in the first fight on points although it was razor thin either way in a very close fight.

I do like Fury but the sport absolutely stinks at times.

Can understand and respect a difference of opinion on the Fury v Wilder 1 card but state it as I seen it.

Where did I go wrong on the rest above as may need to get my eyes tested if posting shyte.

 

Will have a look again and yes he was very lucky that ref did not wave hands.

Going away and fighting Wilder plus that rise from the canvas turned me into a Fury fan.

 

Wallin and McDermott also looked against Fury.

Pulev is proven world level boxer.

 

I don't glass Wallin , Franklin and Helenius as top 10 boxers.

AJ has beaten plenty in his time (more than anyone boxing at present) in Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Ruiz and Pulev.

 

I was at O2 World in Hamburg in 2014 when Wladimir Klitschko battered this white pudding all over the arena.

His dad dancing was sensational and looked like someone had pasted baby oil to his boots.

I will never accept chancers like him anywhere near the top of the Heavyweight Tree.

 

I thought you said a few years ago that you needed recent high level wins to keep your position? So if Joshua's not beaten a top 10 HW in 3+ years (and the last one he beat was a fringe top 10 in Pulev), soon to be 3.5 years, then Joshua surely has to slide? 3+ years is a long time to do something lately and he's 0-2 against ranked opponents over that period. That's not top 2 form.

For example, you didn't have Fury in your *top 14* back in 2018/2019, you ranked him below Chisora (who Fury had made quit), Kownacki (lol) and Dubois (whose best win was decisioning Kevin or beating Tom Little).

Even though Fury schooled and dethroned A-side champ ATG Wlad in Germany 2.5-4 years prior, KO'd 2x cruiser titlist and former No.1 ranked cruiser Cunningham, breezed through Takam-conqueror Chisora who he'd beat twice and breezed through Hammer. And drew with your No.3 ranked heavyweight Wilder, which you later revisionistically claimed was a Fury win but didn't at the time.

 

Not sure. Usyk-Joshua 2 was a fair bit closer than Usyk-Joshua 1. Usyk would be 38+ in a Joshua trilogy fight, rather than 34 or 35 as he was for the first two. Joshua has A-side advantage, only lost 7-5 last time and one judge had him winning. Usyk is dependent on speed and stamina, whereas Joshua's size and power isn't going anywhere. Joshua could win a trilogy fight, though Usyk would have to throw him a bone which I doubt will happen.

 

Would rather he fought Zhang or Dubois

 

Ngannou has opened as a 5/1 underdog.

This makes him a shorter price vs AJ than both Povetkin and Pulev.

 

Even Scot Jim Watt who commentated had Fury-McDermott 6-4 McDermott but said that "McDermott could lose points for that" in the final round when McDermott turned his back twice, at one point running away.

McDermott 1 and Ngannou were competitive fights (moreso McDermott) but corruption wasn't required to give Fury the wins. The fights are close on Boxrec and Eyeonthering, with minorities scoring for McDermott/Ngannou. Very small minorities had Wilder 1 for Wilder, a few had a draw.

Every time Fury has a somewhat close or a close fight by consensus, he's lost on your card. Is that fair to say?

"took over 40 secs to restart after Fury went down"

I just checked: Fury went down with 2:23 on the clock and it was 2:02 when the action was resumed, so 21-22 seconds. I think this is par for the course, Wilder got the same amount of time when he went down (I only checked fight 3). Is 21-22 seconds even close to "over 40"?

Waving fights off immediately following a heavy KD or on cuts is A-side corruption and waters down the sport, preventing a natural conclusion and ruining fights for spectators.

If Fury claimed an injury and quit after struggling in a fight, or got knocked down heavily and fell into the ref after he got up, or got sparked out for the 10 count, or got schooled from pillar to post round after round, or even hit an opponent with an unprovoked three punch combo while they were on the floor, then he'd certainly or almost certainly lose. This hasn't happened yet and he's always done enough given the context (with the partial exception of the Wilder 1 draw), which is credit to Fury.