AJ vs Fury 2017 - 2019

Of course it happened but I really wouldn't read too much into Joshua's loss to Ruiz. I had heard that he was still not recovered from a knock out suffered in sparring not long before that fight.
I know people say temple shots can do damage but I think other shots he has taken have been harder.
I think he took bigger shots from Wladimir and fought on in that fight

 

I was a Joshua fan but always new Fury had his number anytime.Fury not even fit had more balls than Joshua ever did,Fury going over to America after his problems and massive weight loss to fight Wilder was more ballsy than anything Joshua has ever done ! Plenty of people said for a long time that Joshua had been guided and spot picked throughout his whole career as well as his stay at home fights and was a hype job with Matchroom promoting him to something he could never be. Did Joshua do well picking the belts up ? Yes he most certainly did but not once did he ever show he could beat Fury. Obviously the embarrassment of Fury going over to fight Wilder in America shamed him and he tried it with Ruiz and that was the beginning of the end . An unfit or fit Fury against Joshua is the same result, a humiliating boxing lesson with Joshua either quitting or his corner pulling him out. Joshua has still not fought to this day a top 3 ranked Heavyweight in his career !!

 

Joshua the highest ranked Brit at the time without ever fighting a top 3 Heavyweight with his biggest win going life and death with a retired Wlad .

 

Hard to say. It's not like he has had loads of fights since
He boxed in his fight after Ruiz which I didn't think was a bad thing in wanting to win the titles back
He scored a stoppage against Pulev
Then lost trying to box against a very good boxer
I haven't seen anything that makes me think he wouldn't get the same results if he was to have the same fights again

 

Fury at 28 stone coked out of his head, after 20 pints of lager would destroy the bodybuilder

 

Don't disagree
You wrote he hadn't been the same since the loss

 

I agree but we have to be aware that there's a strong bias for Fury and bias against Joshua. Which then creates overrating of one and underrating of the other. I'm not convinced an unfit Fury beats Joshua or Usyk. Wilder just never had the skills to take advantage of Fury. which let's face it was not in good shape in two of the Wilder fights making an absolute meal of the third fight.

 

I don't believe you were a fan of Jodhua if that's what you think. It doesn't make sense.

 

Agree fully. it just shows how fickle the public can be especially with boxers. I think the issue for Joshua was he was seen as golden balls. and we know when someone is at the top you have a section of people who are jealous for a multitude of different reasons.
So when AJ lost that section was ready to stick the boot in.
I mean I don't really like Joshua that much as a person as I always percieved his persona to be fake but he was always in good fights.
I think he achieved a good amount and was more prepared to take the fights that the likes of Wilder and Fury avoided.
I've found myself defending Joshua many a time on here against people with a revisionist perspective claiming he was a bum and a hype job.
That just doesn't tie in with reality for me as you don't achieve what he did if your a bum that's just a ridiculous statement.
I think the problem for Joshua is he never really recovered from the first fight with Pudding and really looking back he always looked a little vulnerable to me with his body language and facial expressions.
It's something I used to pick up on when I was younger watching Mike Tyson fights with my older brother.
I could generally predict on the ring walk whether it would be a 1 round KO or if the fight was going to last a lot longer.
A persons demeaner can revual a great deal about what's under the surface. I'm mot sure what the answer is for him at this point as I don't fancy him against Usyk. I didn't the first time round I just didn't think Usyk would get the nod.
So we'll have to see how things pan out.

 

2017 Fury was completely inactive, 28 stone, drunk, on drugs etc. so probably not. Mid 2019 Fury wins without a shadow of a doubt.

It's a false dichotomy though as Wilder was in his prime and would have splattered AJ.