AJ vs. Fury resume

No AJ, I don't rate Wilder higher than you, I rate AJ higher than you.

 

Are they not allowed to correct themselves when they got things wrong?

I mean, sure, it's better to be honest that you were wrong and changed your mind... But either way is better than stubbornly pretending something blatantly false is true just because you believed it at the time, surely?

 

No, it's not.

If at the time people are willing to accept Wilder v Fury 2 was a fight between the top two heavyweights, it's absolutely futile to pretend he was never ranked in that position now.

 

But it's also true to say that there's a world of difference between being ranked at #2 or #3 and actually being the second or third best fighter around.

The fact some ranked Wilder #2 at the time only means that's what the rankings said, it doesn't mean a thing more than that... And someone who thought he was the second best at the time isn't compelled to still believe that now.

 

Guess what I'm not pretending I never once said he was top two for that matter where is your proof that EVERYBODY as you said thought that he was number 2 in the division, so now you are psychic? and know what people think? You were wrong deal with it...

That is why you do not speak in absolutes especially when it comes to others thoughts. Also fact checking I just checked my post history since 2015 I have consistently said the opposite I never once called wilder a top two heavyweight, and I am not the only one, you made an incorrect assumption are are too prideful to walk it back.

And that is the most ridiculous argument winning all the titles make you lineal it has nothing to do with the ranking of the opponent you beat for the title, and shows how flawed your argument is, no unifying belts does not mean every champ you beat was automatically number two because they held a title. ( by your logic Charles Martin should of been ranked two at some point since he was a titlist and if you wanted to unify and he had the last title you needed would that of made Martin number two? ) there are literally hundreds of examples where a titlists were not ranked number 1 or 2 in their respected division and fought unification fights. the fact that you base your argument on such a flawed premise shows you are really reaching.

Wilder the self proclaimed Half man half Hybrid lol.

 

You notice how his argument switched to top three instead of top two, not even he believes what he is saying lol.

 

They don't have to believe that now, but they also can't change history. During that time everyone ranked him there and now a tiny minority are pretending he wasn't.

 

Almost everything you wrote here doesn't relate to me. You've also lied in your other post about me.

But I'll give two replies in this one:

From the moment Wilder won his belt, until the moment he lost it, everyone ranked him in the top 3. Everyone. You included.

When Wilder faced Fury in the rematch, the majority agreed it was the top two fighting for the lineal championship, you are included in that majority.

Throughout the duration of Joshuas time as title holder the biggest fight in boxing was Wilder vs AJ. You wanted that fight as well.

The point is, when we compare resumes, AJ clearly has much more depth, but you also have to appreciate that Fury has the advantage at the top because twice he beat the guy who was considered the next best in the world (Wlad and Wilder) which is why Fury was lineal champion twice. Pretending Wilder wasn't ranked like that is just weird.

 

I'm not sure I see anyone pretending he wasn't ranked there...

I can see every reason why someone would say he shouldn't have been (I'd be one of them).

In resume context terms it matters - it doesn't change the story, and pretending that he wasn't ranked there detracts from just how insanely overrated he was.

 

There are some pretending, but you aren't one of them, you're just the person I've had the longest interaction with on the thread.

Our disagreement is actually really minor. We agree he was ranked there. We agree he wasn't that good.

The difference we have is what weighting do you apply to a fighters rank when considering their resume. I weight it very highly. You don't. But that's ok.

 

Here are some quotes from you in this thread.

Like if i take you for example, you were very happy declaring the winner of the Wilder v Fury rematch as the new lineal champion. So a fight between Fury and Wilder, in your opinion at the time, was enough to create a new lineage. The reason you thought that is because you ranked them both in the top two. I never ranked them the top two, Fury yes, Wilder please, beat somebody first if you want that ranking.. collecting all the titles makes you undisputed, the Lineal championship if beating number 2? (supposedly) means nothing in a claim for lineality when it has been established already. Fury had been the official Lineal champion since from 2015 to 2024 (even if I would argue differently but it is a fact that officially he was) so how would a fight in 2020 decide lineality when it was already established in 2015? https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Lineal_Heavyweight_Champion https://www.linealboxingchampion.co...ght-championship-boxing-heavyweight-champions

Every single boxing fan was calling for AJ v Wilder because they were the top two heavyweights in the world.
People wanted a an undisputed champ first in almost two decades that's is why it would of been so big, it does not mean that a beltholder was automatically the second best heavyweight in the world that is such a wierd thing to imply.

Everyone ranked Wilder that highly.
not everyone.

but you still cannot admit you made assumption's about other people opinion on where they had him ranked off of your own personal opinion and were wrong.

 

Yes you did. You considered Fury to have given up his lineage when he retired.

Like I said, Wilder was ranked in the top 3 the whole time, by you as well, no point pretending he wasn't.

Yes everyone.

Cos I'm not wrong, it's very easy to look at where people ranked Wilder during his title reign. I suggest you start with your own posts.

 

He was definitely ranked top 3 by Ring magazine at the time. But I can understand that some forum posters felt it was mostly based on holding the WBC title.

Btw, I was just looking at 2017-year-end The Ring rankings (the rankings don't include Klitschko who had officially retired):

Tyson Fury, Champion
1. Anthony Joshua
2. Deontay Wilder
3. Joseph Parker
4. Alexander Povetkin
5. Luis Ortiz
6. Kubrat Pulev
7. Andy Ruiz Jr.
8. Dillian Whyte
9. Dominic Breazeale
10. Jarrell Miller

Interestingly, Joshua (who won IBF in 2016) has wins over 6 names on the 2017 list. He also tried to make fights with the other 4: Miller, Wilder, Fury, and Ortiz

 

Yeah i just don't understand people pretending he never was ranked like that.

 

That's a good interesting post
I am not a Joshua fan but he did imo try and make the biggest fights and not duck anyone imo