AJ vs. King Kong, who takes it?

Ortiz was 5-1 up on two judges' cards after 6 but it's meaningless. He didn't survive the first time when he was under 39 and he wasn't going to survive the second time at not far off 41, less athletic, less durable and less confident, against a more experienced Wilder. He got smoked with over 15 minutes left to go in the contest.

Wilder's gameplan was to take Ortiz a few rounds, don't give him anything the second time and take him out as soon as an opportunity presented itself. It was like shooting fish in a barrel; Ortiz showed good skill but it was a doomed strategy. Stiverne 1 and Duhaupas had a better chance of beating Wilder than Ortiz 2.

 

Ortiz was unlucky in the 1st fight though. Wilder could have easily been waived off VIA TKO in the 7th round, when he took many shots without reply, and was also given extra time to recover after that round, and threw ortiz against the ropes and didn't have any points deducted.

 

Ortiz's attempt in the first fight was a lot better. The only really corrupt officiating was the extra 20 seconds the bodyguard doctor gave Wilder at the start of the 8th. Wilder can take a hellacious beating so it probably wouldn't have made a difference in retrospect but it was bad.

 

It could have easily been called off though, as wilder was taking a beating in the corner without any response.

TKO's are often given when a fighter is being hit a lot without any response.

 

With an effeminate/corrupt British ref maybe. I'd rather the sport didn't get any more watered down than it is, especially in HW championship fights.

 

I'd rather a stoppage than see another boxer wind up with permanent brain damage. It's a sport not war.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/box...er-Anthony-Joshua-Eddie-Hearn-Jay-Jimenez/amp

Offered $5m and turned it down, tells you all you need to know.

 

Well, Ortiz didn't.

Ortiz's promoter Jorge Carmanate got the call from Hearn to be a last minute sub for Miller ... and Carmanate asked for more money.

Then Carmanate called Ortiz and his manager, Jay Jimenez, and said Hearn was low-balling them.

But when they found out what Hearn was offering, they both went ballistic on Carmanate.

Then Ortiz's manager called Hearn back and said they'd take the fight and apologized profusely for not accepting the first offer. Then the manager went on social media and apologized to Hearn publicly and said they'd take his first offer and that their promoter was an idiot for turning them down.

It was the kind of public 'begging' (literally begging and saying he was sorry) you don't see too often in boxing.

But Hearn said he'd already moved on. He wasn't in the mood to negotiate. And Hearn picked Andy Ruiz, which was a bad choice on his part.

Ortiz's promoter screwed up. But then they signed to rematch Wilder. Ortiz ended up banking around $7 million for that one. So, they didn't take Carmanate in the alley and kill him or anything.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/11...ranteed-about-20-million-luis-ortiz-7-million

https://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=1-28137130

 

As for the fight itself, I'd give Ortiz a good chance.

Every time Joshua has been hurt, it's been from a left hook to the temple. Whyte did that. Wlad did that. Ruiz did that. And Fury said, if he fought Joshua, he'd throw left hooks and aim for Joshua's temple. The smallish southpaw Usyk hurt him as well near the end of the fight with hard lefts from the southpaw stance.

Everyone knows where Joshua is weakest, now.

Being a southpaw, and his left being his strongest hand, Luis Ortiz would be a dangerous opponent.

But Joshua hits pretty hard, too. And Ortiz has gone down hard as of late. Although he got up last time out and hit Charles Martin so hard he left him talking to an invisible man at the end of that one.

So, who knows. Total crapshoot.

 

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You're spending the prime years of your life on a boxing forum, being infatuated with a man that you supposedly 'despise'. You're literally cucking your own life to Joshua and a boxing forum.

You absolute wank

 

You defend the bodybuilder like he's been in your guts lately. When i see a fraudulent product it has to be called out

 

I don't like china chin as much as the next person, but I don't go out on my shield to make him out to be something he's not.

Fake 'nice guy' - sure
Eddie Hearn scorecard manipulation - sure
Got derailed by a morbidly obese Mexican? - sure
Avenged his loss to a morbidly obese Mexican by a near shutout? - sure
Best resume in the current HW division? - sure
Has clear vulnerabilities in both his offensive and defensive game? - sure
HASN'T DUCKED ANYONE - sure

I'll reiterate it again - you spend more than 4 hours a day on this forum attacking a man that doesn't know you exist.
You're 28, get out and live your life you weirdo.

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Ruiz was like 20 pounds heavier in the rematch. He trained in the mcdonalds playpin. That rematch was ridiculous. It's not an impressive feat

No. Fury has the better resume after beating Whyte in one of the easiest fighters of his career. He even stopped Whyte a round before Joshua did without getting hurt. Joshua does not have the best resume. You could say it's number 2. It's decent

We have to face the facts. Fury and Wilder fought eachother, Joshua hasn't faced either. Theres a reason for that. Joshua has 2 losses, one against an obese trashcan and then he got shut out by Usyk. Not even Gassiev got dominated that bad. At least Gassiev stunned Usyk. Even Hunter and Bellew gave Usyk a harder fight. He's not elite. Don't make him something he's not

 

Joshua sparks him now and before he fought Wilder.

Ortiz is so overrated it's unreal.

 

I would favour Joshua
I would imagine it being over in the first half