AJ vs the following

Tell us more about these “skilled modern day giants”

Its A great day to have been a boxing fan for over 40 years, and to be able to feel a little bit vindicated after reading a million different threads about how the guys from the Eras I grew up in “were just too small”.

Now when I have fight parties I can still go to the basement and point to my walls full of boxing history and still say you see these framed posters of Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Evander Holyfield Mike Tyson, George Foreman etc etc these guys would wipe the floor with Anthony Joshua, they are in fact “big enough” Not that I ever stopped saying that anyway. It’s about skills, heart, and the art of fighting.

Full disclosure I have nothing against the new heavyweights, it’s more so just the Fanbase wanting to crown them way way too early

 

Luis Ortiz got overpowered by a 214lb HW

 

No Butterbean?? .. He just lost to Butterbean jr

 

My Oscar pick aged well I think

 

Yeah. his size served him well last night

 

Joshua would never, I mean never hear the bell for round 15, probably gasses out in any fast paced 12 rounder. He was gassed early last night because he had to fight instead of pose

 

It’s Knee jerk to pick him to lose now because he lost last night. Everyone loses. He needs to correct some serious flaws though to protect his vulnerability against certain fighters. Notably he has to learn to clinch smaller men better to control his ranger. Whyte, Povetkin and now Ruiz gave him issues because he stands straight up but doesn’t hold when the fighter gets inside. He’s looked much better against big fighters such as Breazale, and Martin. I still think he beats Wilder. But not sure he will get to that fight now

 

I fail to see how any of these guys are comparable to Andy Ruiz. Let’s put it this way, if these fights happened and you had evens for both fighters who would you put your money on?

 

It’s simple. The heavyweight division was way tougher in the past. Also, you can’t be serious with that land of the giants comment. Joshua is 6’5.5”, which is the same height as Carnera, but Joshua doesn’t have Carnera’s ring experience, jab, or defense.

A lot of the tall guys were getting by on size because guys weren’t polish up on their skill set like they should.

Also, Tony Tucker’s height is way over listed on boxrec. Like Lennox he was always 6’3.5-6’4”, but started getting listed as 6’5” while Wlad as an Olympian was 6’4.5”, but after turning pro was suddenly being listed as 6’6” or even 6’7”.

I used to see both the Klitschko brothers pretty regularly at laker games from 2002-2005, since they both sat in the same row as me and my uncle and I seen first hand Wlad wasn’t 6’5” and Vitali himself told me he was 6’6”.

Eddie Lopez at 6’0” gave all the big guys he fought a tough time such as Gerry Cooney 6’5”, Tony Tucker 6’3.5”, and John Tate 6’3.5” . Tony Tucker with about as many fights as Joshua had a hard time with Lopez and got clipped quite a few times, but was blessed with a much better chin than Joshua and was able to start rolling with the punches. Conney also got taken out by Spinks much like Joshua was taken out by Ruiz because he was just too easy a target.

All that said Joshua didn’t make any excuses and can still improve, since taking a loss didn’t stop Wlad, Lennox, Byrd, etc.. from coming back and becoming champions again.

 

Bonavena would have repeatedly decked and stopped AJ within 4....Quarry would have given him the same treatment that he meted out against big bulky gassers....AJ would have never landed anything on Jimmy Young.

 

I AGREE, you have misunderstood my statement of "too small" or their too Big as support of the Giants.

I DON'T, never have and never will.

They ARE a different animal and a different division though, yes of that they are, I what I mean by past NORMAL Size HWs being too small.

I simply mean that Size of a Good Giant 'should and would' beat the little guy More Times than not, simple, sometimes size will not be overcome IF the Big Guy is Good Enough.

but that doesn't mean he, the Giant, is a better fighter... it doesn't mean that at all, it just means he's too Big an animal to overcome.

 

This.