AJ vs Wilder (If It Happens This Year)

I don't know about shot, but I would think it was not what it was at the start of his career.
Considering he has been in quite a few tough fights where he had suffered knock downs and tough rounds
You think in 21 fights how Breazeale had fought some big punchers whereas in the same amount of fights Wilder hadn't been in such hard fights against fighters rated as highly

It's interesting that you don't apply the same logic
Szpilka had suffered one loss between fighting Wilder and Chisora which was a stoppage loss where he went down, and I would agree that that often takes something out of a fighter. You indicate above that Szpilka was ruined by one loss but not Breazeale who had suffered more knock downs

Really
Is this based on the time where he wobbled?
Or could it not be what I said about all fights being different?

I think Wilders punches look snappier but I don't think necessarily more powerful as shown in the Molina fight

 

Breazeale was back in the ring 8 months after the AJ fight but 21 months after being sparked by Wilder, Szpilka was out for 18 months after being sparked by Wilder and taken out on a stretcher.

Breazeale had been knocked down twice by AJ and once by Ugonoh when he fought Wilder, Szpilka had been knocked down once by Wilder, once by Kownacki and once by Wach when he fought Chisora. Szpilka had also shown a weakness to heavy pressure fighters pre-Chisora when he fought Kownacki post-Wilder. It's difficult to gauge where Breazeale's punch resistance is now but he went 12 rounds with Wallin, absorbing a lot of punishment without being wobbled, while Szpilka got stopped in a round against a little known bridgerweight in his last fight.

It's also important to note that punch resistance can be virtually at its worst at the start of a career: Puritty was a classic example, Sokolowski too. I've heard sparring partners say that they get conditioned to take big punches after a while, that they could not take when they were fresher.

Molina got up three times from Wilder's knock downs before staying on the floor in the 9th round. He also won two rounds: the 3rd and the 8th. The Molina who fought AJ was the Molina we've seen in all of his big fights subsequently: lacking belief, very quick to fall on the floor and get counted out. I would say the same about the Malik Scott who fought Wilder relative to Chisora, or the Charles Martin who fought AJ relative to Kownacki.

 

AJ boxes his ears off till he gets hit then it’s over. Now the big difference will be who Wilder has training him because Malik Scott “ Sucks” as a fighter and a trainer.

 

I'm not sure what relevance you feel there is for the gaps between fights?
That doesn't make much sense.
Of course Breazeale fought sooner after the Joshua loss, he was earlier in his career, which is when fighters do fight more often

???
But yet you dismiss Chisoras win over Szpilka for having been knocked down as many times.
This is not me putting words in your mouth, but your own postings

Not sure why you are mentioning this about Szpilka? Or the relevance but just makes Chisoras performance look better

wasn't aware that Wallin was considered a massive puncher

With Szpika getting knocked out at a lower weight, it goes back to what I said at the beginning that all fights are different
Many fighters who drop down in weight get stopped. See Roy Jones who took punches from a HW and then got stopped at LHW, or Chris Byrd who took punches from Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, but got stopped by a lighter fighter
See how it works now, in that all fights are different?

No doubt.
It can also be reduced by taking too many punches as well

or it could be that Joshua caught Molina with a clean hard fight ending fight earlier than Wilder was able to find, or it could be Joshua hits harder, or it could be Joshua is a better boxer, or it could be that all fights are different

 

Took AJ 3 rounds to KO Molina, took Wilder 9, so I guess in this world of weird logic that even things out?

Guess that makes the great Lukasz Rozanski more powerful than both of them as he had iron-chinned Szpilka out of there in Round 1, whereas it took Wilder 10/11 rounds, didn't it?

 

Longer gaps between fights after a KO defeat is suggestive of more physical damage.

You claimed that Breazeale had been knocked down more than Szpilka, when they had been knocked down an equal number of times during the period we were discussing. Before that Szpilka had been knocked down more too from what I've seen.

Szpilka has always been a blown-up cruiser and not an especially tough one, with a chin that has deteriorated badly with the KO defeats and KD's, while Breazeale is a much bigger man with a more solid chin that seems to have held up well judging from his last fight (Wallin isn't a big puncher but he hits hard enough to get this version of Szpilka out early). Szpilka is also more vulnerable to pressure fighters than a lower volume sniper like Wilder, so the former will tend to get him out more quickly. Babic could have KO'd the Chisora version of Szpilka in a couple of rounds while Wilder may have taken a couple more but Babic is a featherfist compared to Wilder, styles make a huge difference here.

On Molina, it could be all the things you mentioned or it could be styles (AJ was a lot more aggressive) physical wear (Molina had been KD'd 4 times by Wilder and KO'd and taken more damage from Adamek beforehand) reduced confidence/heart (which has become a recurring theme of Molina's career) or a combination thereof.

On power, the fighters who I have heard quoted have typically claimed that Wilder hits harder than AJ and other heavy hitters, usually they say much harder, at least with the right hand (Lenroy Thomas, Miller, Gassiev, Haye, Towers, Dawejko) with Gavern the lone exception I've seen. Molina and Breazeale said the same thing, although they may be unreliable narrators. On a number occasions Wilder has sparked opponents out or badly concussed them with one shot, which I don't see as being the case with AJ. Wilder's frequency of KO's and the early nature of so many of his KO's, despite his less aggressive style that's based around landing a single bomb, are other indications that he possesses a lot more one punch KO power.

 

Nah. AJ is a very timid fighter, fights nervously. Knowing it only takes one to switch the lights off he will be very hesitant to exchange and make him second guess all his shots, which will lead him to getting clipped by a big one and going over

 

Wilder would spark him, just like he would have at any point in their careers.

 

no, he'd keep jabbing like he always does and most likely knock beyonce through the ropes with a right hand in like 6 rounds

 

Let it be so. Easy money.

 

LOL inside what? Harrods?

Wilder by brutal KO. 8th round. Joshua cannot take the kind of punch that put Fury into a 9 second coma.

 

I'm pretty sure Fury getting up in round 12 is now the iconic moment in boxing history.

God said not today Tyson. Get up SON.

 

This article claims that Wilder and AJ were even oddswise in the aftermath of Fury-Wilder 2, which is surprising to me considering recency bias regarding defeats: https://www.*****.net/2020/05/11/anthony-joshua-deontay-wilder-surprise/

Post-Fury-Wilder 3, Wilder may well be the favourite. And if Usyk-AJ 2 goes as most believe it will, Wilder would almost certainly be the favourite against AJ. Unfortunately the fight is never likely to happen.

 

Lol, Wilder is still so ridiculously over rated. Like Fury is now some mythical beast for beating him and he can still bang out any other HW not named Fury, it's like some of you guys actually bought into the smoke and mirrors that is Wilder's career.

Granted Joshua's is also smoke and mirrors to a certain extent but Wilder is next level, always was, just use your eyes. He fought nothing but puddings, the first Fury fight was a cherry pick gone horribly wrong, let's remember Fury had pretty much rolled of the sofa at that point, and he got annihilated by him next time out.

People act like the 2nd and 3rd fights were competitive, They weren't, Wilder landed a hail mary shot in the 4th round of the 3rd fight when Fury was trying to finish him and that was a competitive as it got, the rest was just Wilder getting pummelled until he got stopped.

 

AJ doesn't hear the 9th round bell, Wilder floors him multiple times on the way to a merciful stoppage.