AJ vs Wilder (If It Happens This Year)

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That was an absurd claim. Joshua is nothing close to the best infighter at heavy.

 

What I mean is if Joshua starts launching combinations, Wilder has literally no way of dealing with this. He has no uppercut, no hook, he cannot really fight back. He only tries to push people back to range.

Think of the time Ortiz had him hurt and almost KO'd in the first fight. If that was Joshua launching those combos, Wilder would have been finished, but that being said it probably wouldn't last this long against AJ.

Wilder took 10 rounds and 7 rounds to KO old man Ortiz. If Ortiz can last, so can Joshua, but I guarantee if AJ manages to hurt wilder and starts launching a brutal combo, then Wilder is done.

 

THIS.

Joshua's chin is not weak. I don't know where this myth came from. Joshua has taken some big shots and survived against Whyte, Wlad etc.

 

The Whyte fight was over 6 years ago and the Klitschko fight almost 5, a fighters toughness degrades over time.

 

Fair point.

 

I didn't say he couldn't take ANY punch, just not the punch in Wilder Fury 1.

 

Joshua. Hes on another level entirely than Wilder as for skill and movement, and probably has equal KO power

 

"Granted Joshua's is also smoke and mirrors to a certain extent but Wilder is next level"

AJ's opposition wasn't a lick more dangerous than Wilder's, compare:

9/2 Martin, 20/1 Molina, 10/1 Breazeale, 16/1 Takam, 5/1 Parker, 13/1 Ruiz, 6/1 Pulev, 13/2 Povetkin, 8/1 Whyte

7/4 Stiverne, 20/1 Molina, 7/1 Breazeale, 10/1 Arreola, 5/1 Szpilka, 10/1 Duhaupas, 13/1 Washington, 7/2 Ortiz, 7/2 Ortiz 2, 8/1 Stiverne 2

Wilder's victims have relevant wins over these boxers: Arreola x2, Adamek x2, Charr, Helenius x2, Wach, McCline, Molina, Mitchell, Forrest, Chambers, Jennings, Thompson, Mansour, Hammer, Martin

I omitted Wlad, the Ruiz rematch, Usyk and Fury x3, which were all dangerous fights but again, AJ was a strong favourite against Ruiz, Wlad and Usyk, while Wilder was close to even odds against Fury in fight 1 and fight 2 and a big underdog in fight 3. Yes team Wilder didn't believe that Fury was at his best but it was still a dangerous fight, as reflected by the close odds. Hearn/AJ were also opportunistic in fighting Wlad at 41 coming off a 17 month layoff and a defeat, or Pulev at 39 coming off a 13 month layoff instead of Usyk. It's also interesting that out of all of the lesser opponents, the only one to score a win was massive underdog Ruiz: the ultimate cherrypick gone wrong.

AJ and Wilder had home and A-side advantage in virtually all of their fights, so they were not at significant risk of losing on the scorecards. AJ essentially acknowledged this himself:

“I always think about that one punch. No one can beat me skill-for-skill, I don’t think. But it’s that one punch: I’d hate for that to be the reason why I lose. One punch.” - Anthony Joshua, 2018

“Rankings” and “top 10’s” are propaganda that only serve to confuse the issue. It’s also irrelevant whether AJ’s 2nd and 3rd rate opponents would tend to beat Wilder’s (and it’s close). The only relevant questions are: “how big was the opponent’s KO/TKO/RTD chance?” and “did the opponent really try to win?”

"People act like the 2nd and 3rd fights were competitive, They weren't, Wilder landed a hail mary shot..."

You still don't get it. Wilder wasn't trying to outbox all of his opponents, he was trying to land bombs to score a KO. Had Fury not had great powers of recovery (on top of his other attributes) he would have been laid out in fight 1 and fight 3.

 

The odds you give aren't relevant in how good the opposition is
You wrote wilder was a 10/1 favourite Duhaupas but the same bookie may have made AJ a 20/1 favourite for all we know

 

It’s the most absurd argument I’ve ever read. Odds constantly change given the amount of people that place bets. To use it as any kind of consistent yardstick is ridiculous.

 

Yeah I thought it was a bad example, though not wanting to be disrespectful to them, but if you had 2 top world class fighters fighting in a unification and the bookies say the odds are even, you couldn't say two up and comers given even odds is the same type of level

 

Wilder by KO, simply because AJ doesn’t have the same power and he won’t match Wilder’s intensity.

 

It'll soon be time to resurrect this lost showdown. Assuming Usyk completes the double over Joshua in Midsummer, the rebuilding of Wilder vs. Joshua must begin in 2023;

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Wilder by gnarly, cosmos-shaking KO.

 

Whilst I don’t doubt that wilder could win, he certainly would have a very good chance if they were to fight. The statement however that Joshua won’t match wilders intensity is laughable, wilder is a 1 shot fighter. He is literally the opposite of someone with high intensity.