AJ vs. Wilder

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Lomasaxual, Dec 26, 2017.


  1. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Schaefer is friends with Haymon and has worked with co promoting before and dislikes Hearn.....I would say that's a conflict of interesting wouldn't you ? Lol

    There's really nothing to add BC I would just be repeating what others have told you on here.

    If you want to believe the fight in 2018 makes more money in the U.S that's fine but its not true. Maybe in a rematch but not now.
     
  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Neither AJ or Wilder are as a big a draw as Canelo or even Chavez, why would they make as much as them?

    Once again your making up numbers for this fight with no grounding in reality. You can talk about potential all you like but you have nothing to suggest this fight will even be PPV. In fact Wilder's own people don't think it's a PPV fight Lou Dibella himself says Joshu/Wilder isn't PPV in the USA in the article below from the scene.

    http://www.*******.com/dibella-pay-per-view-dying-wilder-joshua-not-ppv-fight--113510

    Hearn also doesn't think it's PPV either in the US.

    http://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/02/hearn-wants-joshua-vs-wilder-ppv-u-s/

    So Wilder's own people based that 50/50 demand in the belief this fight is never PPV in the USA. So why does Wilder deserve 50% again now we know for sure neither side thinks it's going to be PPV in the US.
     
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  3. Lomasaxual

    Lomasaxual New Member banned Full Member

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    But the numbers dont lie even if you Richard is in bed with Haymon

    Hatton vs. Floyd did over 1 mil UK PPVs and the revenue was around 20+ mil. It did about 850k in the US and revenue was around 47 million.

    Canelo vs. Chavez did 2 million more in live gate than AJ vs. Wlad. And there is a huge disparity in total attendance.

    The numbers and logic in which Schaefer made his statement are sound. US ticket and PPV prices are much higher. Why would you potentially ignore a US market for a big fight like this?
     
  4. Lomasaxual

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    Bob Arum also once famously said that he would lose money on Oscar vs. Floyd and that it wouldnt sell. He was dead wrong.

    Chavez is no real draw when he fought Canelo. Maybe 5-7 years ago he was. But the state of his career at the time he fought Canelo he was no draw. It was basically Canelo carrying that.

    AJ's fans claim hes a huge star. Didnt Hatton help fill Vegas casinos and fill the Grand Garden Arena on more than one occasion? He did. Now add that to Wilders domestic profile. Its a big fight. You guys want to take Wilders profile fighting guys like Washington and Stiverne and equate it to a matchup with AJ. Its not the same. You put them together. Its boxings glamour division. Which is dying to be saved and revived.

    The fight can definitley sell at least 300k in the US. Which would double the PPV revenue that they would make just in the UK. And the ticket prices will be sky high and they will sell out. Which means they will do a bigger gate than they can in UK. Which means more revenue and exposure. The UK fans alone should account for a half filled arena. Its a no brainer. Wilder would have a claim to at least 40 percent of it. Im not saying he deserves 50.

    Hearn knows this. Which is why he has talked about bringing AJ to the US before.
     
  5. Kloppbjs

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    The reality is both AJ and Wilder are not PPV Fighters in America and are not even known to the casuals in America.But the Blame for that has to go to Deontay Wilder as he is the AMERICAN Fighter.Joshua has done his part,which is gurantee big PPV money in the UK.Wilder hasnt guranteed good money in the US.As i say this fight wont happen next year because it will only do around 300K PPV Buys in America,in Vegas Numbers that is a huge flop.2019 actually looks more viable.But both Joshua and Wilder need to fight in America,either on the same card of within a couple of weeks of eachother.Wilder's Personality and Joshua's Personality is a very good mix though and the fight will only grow bigger.
     
  6. Brighton bomber

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    Your numbers do lie because they are based on the lies such as Wilder and Joshua are as big a draw in the US as Canelo or Chavez. The lie that the UK would still do 1.5 mill buys like for Joshua/Wlad when on at US times, when an even bigger fight with Mayweather/Hatton didn't get anywhere close to that and of course the lie that this fight would even be PPV when Wilder's people and Hearn don't think it's PPV in the US as proven by my previous post.
     
  7. Kloppbjs

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    My second point is i believe Hearn should move Joshua over to HBO and have him fight at Prime Time over their in America.HBO is still the biggest and prestigious Boxing Provider in America and still can get Larger Audiences due to a bigger Audience Base.Having Joshua at HBO and Wilder at Showtime will just help make the fight bigger as you have two of the biggest networks in America pushing the fight rather than just the one.If the demand for the fight is at a high level both HBO and Showtime will have to collaborate.Then the Promotion from both of the Companies will just help make it bigger as opposed to just the one.
     
  8. Dagnaldinho

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    This is the reality of it.

    Anthony Joshua vs Deontay Wilder = the same money or more than the Klitschko numbers

    Anthony Joshua vs Joseph Parker = roughly around the Klitschko numbers maybe just under

    Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury = Way way above the Klitschko numbers

    They are the 3 biggest money fights in heavyweight boxing right now and theres only one thing they all have in common. Anthony Joshua is present in them all. Deontay Wilder would still get career high paydays if he were to fight either of the other two instead of Joshua but it would be significantly less.

    How do we decide the A side?

    One guy has 2 belts, another guy has 1. One guy makes £10-15,000,000 a fight, another makes £1-2,000,000

    If Deontay Wilder believed anything he says, he would be straight in the 30/70 or 40/60 if he could squeeze it out. No chance in hell that this man deserves a 50/50 split, if anyone deserves a 50/50 split of the pot it is Tyson Fury.
     
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  9. Brighton bomber

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    I don't think even Fury deserves 50/50, most he's made was £2.4 mill for the Wlad fight. He's never been much of a draw. But he does bring something to the table and the fight would be massive, the biggest payday for Joshua as well as Fury. 60/40 in Joshua's favour would be fair.
     
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  10. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You cannot compare Mayweathers popularity to Wilders...not even debatable.

    Again someone has answered you so I'm not going to repeat others in this thread I have no more to say other than anyone who knows their boxing knows the more logical approach is to have the Wembley stadium summer fight then go from there.

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  11. Dagnaldinho

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    I also agree in a 60/40 Joshua, i think hes actually gained more publicity outside of the ring now than he has when he was actually fighting, he has more too bring to the table in order to demand a 50/50 split deserved or not, compared to Wilder, thats all i meant
     
  12. sean

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    why not hold the superbowl in a 10 thousand seater venue in vegas ?

    charge 25k a ticket

    even at 25k i am sure it would be full

    all that matters is the live gate **** the spectacle of the event of fighting in front of 90k fans

    i mean boxing is doing so well
    people are flocking to packed out vibrant atmosphere venues to watch boxing in america.

    and even if wilder has to travel to the uk and deign to fight in wembley he could stipulate that 45000 seats be reserved for his travelling army of fans who instead of having to stay in expensive vegas hotels could stay in that well known cheap place called london.
     
  13. Dagnaldinho

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    Does he have 45000 fans?
     
  14. PolishNavy

    PolishNavy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    After Wilder knocks out King Kong in his next fight he should get 50% . This is a complex business if a solid card can be put together for a huge pay per view night at Madison Square Garden this can catapult boxing back in the spotlight . Deontay vs A juicin J will be easy to sell. A big welterweight fight like Spence and Thurman on the card and maybe try to get Danny Jacobs on that card and whats not to like?
     
  15. Gymbot

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    How many PPVs has Wilder sold in America?

    The square root of **** all.