AJ vs. Wilder

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Lomasaxual, Dec 26, 2017.


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  1. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    i have no problem wilder v joshua being made
    but trying to make a case for it that it must happen in the usa because ????????

    and using historical fights and numbers to justify that.

    joshuas current popularity is a freakish event

    he has just had the biggest crowd in an indoor stadium ever in the history of the sport
    he has just had the 2nd biggest attendance in an outdoor arena in 50 years / guess/ i remember chavez v haugen cannot think of anything else

    this in an era when boxing is struggling like mad to get fans through the gates / tv numbers are now 10% of what they once were

    wilder has not caught on in america
    / even so he should be way way bigger than he is
    he has the mouth/charisma/power/ to be the man

    it is obvious the reason he has not had ppv is that he has not fought anyone that tv deemed ppv worthy.
    on the 1 hand you have a fighter who is now a bonafide superstar in his own country
    and on the other you have a fighter who is not.

    to earn mega money you must be able to appeal to casual boxing fans / and not just to hardcore fans like us on esb.
     
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  2. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    When you are negotiating for a big money heavyweight show down you have to show what you are bringing to the table. At this moment in time Wilder is bring nothing much at all to the table. We can all say this will be a big one in the States, and it probably will, but Joshua and Hearn are not going to bend to Wilder on guesswork and assumptions when past fights say Wilder brings nothing. If Wilder had nailed a couple of good names to his resume at any point in his career to date this is not a discussion to be having, the man would already be a superstar. Just team Wilder just were never brave enough.

    Eddie Heard was talking about the difference in prices between the UK and the USA not too long ago, he is disgusted by how the Americans are being ripped off by Boxing. He would rather have 80,000 happy Boxing fans pay a fair ticket price and many more £20 PPV money than have 24,000 fans have to cancel their kids christmas for a ticket and up to a hundred Dollars (a hundred fricking dollars) for PPV.
     
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  3. Lomasaxual

    Lomasaxual New Member banned Full Member

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    It wont happen in NYC. Gonna have to be Vegas. But at least you understand the value of having the fight in the US. All of these UK guys in here just think "OMG Wembley Stadium" and "Wilder doesnt have fans he doesnt do big viewership against Gerald Washington". They have a hard time grasping the concept that putting Wilder and AJ in the same ring will appeal.
     
    Lomasaxual, Dec 26, 2017
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  4. Lomasaxual

    Lomasaxual New Member banned Full Member

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    LOL. Like Hearn gives a damn about people being happy and other kids Christmas presents. Boy that guy can sell you a bill of goods, well, if you want to buy it. Hearn obviously doesnt want this fight now. And he needs to sell reasons why he wont make it now. He knows it will be in the USA. But he wants to tell you how he cares about Americans being ripped off and you actually think he cares. Kind of funny to me.
     
    Lomasaxual, Dec 26, 2017
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  5. Kloppbjs

    Kloppbjs Member banned Full Member

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    It has to happen in America because you idiots are not listening.300K US PPV Buys will equal 1 Million UK PPV Buys.If it happens in America Joshua can become a Major Global Star if he wins.He cant just stay in the UK for the rest of his career.It's Limited Money,America is not.Hearn/Wilder/Haymon/Joshua have to find a way to make a 300K a Easy number to match with Wilder and Joshua
     
    Kloppbjs, Dec 26, 2017
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  6. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    joshua has zero chance of getting 300k ppv buys in the States. no one knows who any active boxer is in this country.
     
    greenhornet, Dec 26, 2017
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  7. Kloppbjs

    Kloppbjs Member banned Full Member

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    Las Vegas Mate.You aint listening,America is unlimited money potential.350K US PPV Buys can match 1.5M UK PPV Buys.Wilder is Joshua's Breakout fight in America and to be a global star.
     
    Kloppbjs, Dec 26, 2017
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  8. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I really want the fight to happen. It's the definition of a "whoever lands first" fight.
     
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  9. Lomasaxual

    Lomasaxual New Member banned Full Member

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    Wilder hasnt had a PPV because he doesnt have any PPV worthy opponents.

    Joshua can sell out whatever UK stadium he wants. The bottom line is his last two fights still did less at the gate than Canelo/Chavez. Which had 70k less people at it.

    If you think Hearn cares about making boxing fans happy, especially in the US outside his main market, you are nuts. If AJ comes over here and knocks Wilder out that only strengthens his star and helps him cross over. Hearn could care less about the out of whack US ticket prices.

    Simple math. 90k seats=8.5 million in gate. 18-20k in US=10.6 mil

    All they have to do is sell 300k US ppvs to double their TV revenue. That number is attainable. You guys simply point to Wilder not doing crazy viewership numbers while fighting unknown guys. Nobody seems to want to realize that you arent putting him here on PPV against Bermane Stiverne. Isnt AJ a star?

    AJ is a UK medalist that knocked out Wlad and is built like a Greek god. This fight has been talked about on ESPN here in the States. Were not talking about Wilder vs Duhaupus here. Wilder/AJ could hit 250k-300k PPVs tomorrow.
     
    Lomasaxual, Dec 26, 2017
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  10. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You are not listening MATE. Doing a mega fight with only one well known guy who hasn't even fought in the U.S is not going to do good ppv numbers compared to the U.K where it will also lose out on ppv numbers.

    Even if the fight was equal to the U.K its all GUESS work...you guys can't comprehend that Wilder is not Klitchko.
     
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  11. Lomasaxual

    Lomasaxual New Member banned Full Member

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    Are you insisting that 20k in a Vegas arena is not an adequate atmoshphere for a mega fight?

    It seems to work just fine most of the time. Your post seems to suggest that it isnt. Because as Ive pointed out that 20k arena has turned live gates bigger than the 90k.

    10k in a Vegas stadium for a Superbowl is not adequate enough of an atmopshere. Unless you have proof that it is. I have definitive proof that 20k in an arena is adequate for a mega fight. Because they happen frequently. Your point makes zero sense.

    Theres a line. Atmopshere + gate+2x the TV revenue money potentially. Thats better than just a UK gate and UK PPV money and atmosphere(which is equal considering both venues are more than adequate to hold such a fight and provide enough).
     
    Lomasaxual, Dec 26, 2017
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  12. Lomasaxual

    Lomasaxual New Member banned Full Member

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    If they were to fight in the US they will not lose any UK buys mate. They will do the same. Brits love their boxing and are rabid. They will be up at any hour to watch. Ive witnessed these guys in the MGM Sportsbook on a Saturday morning, in droves, drinking beer and going nuts over soccer at 6am.

    In the US you are potentially looking at a 100 mil in TV revenue and a gate probably equal or more to what it would be in the UK. Some of you guys are delusional if you think Joshua and Wilder are unknown on either side of the pond. Its some rhetoric you guys want to speak in order to explain why you dont want it now or want it in the US. People know both guys.

    And you guys keep talking about Wilder having no fans or PPVs. But failing to realize it takes a good opponent to get people interested in something. We arent talking about Wilder fighting Stiverne for a 3rd time on PPV. Were talking about your huge UK megastar. Who looks the part. The fight is already being hyped over here on our major sports network. They show Wilder highlights everytime he fights. You seem to want to bypass that and just look at his viewership when hes fighting a former college football player.
     
    Lomasaxual, Dec 26, 2017
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  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    This comment you make here
    Is exactly what I thought.
    Brighton bomber did a great job of breaking it down
     
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  14. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Love how you have ignored the fact that Wilder's team and Hearn have both confirmed this fight doesn't have the interest in the US to be PPV. According to you, you know the business better than Di Bella and Hearn, which is moronic when you consider how close a relationship DiBella has had with HBO. This fight at the moment is 100% not happening in the USA, not going to be PPV, not going to be in Vegas. You can spin as long winded as a story as you like but facts are facts.

    But hey keep sticking your head in the sand and give Wilder an excuse to keep ducking the fight by sticking to his ludicrous 50/50 spilt when he brings nothing to the table.
     
    Brighton bomber, Dec 26, 2017
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  15. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Like I stated in my first post you will keep digging until you get someone to agree with you .

    Which has happened , ONE person on the entire thread and he's also NEW to the forum? :outtahere:

    Its also not my U.K fighter, I'm from the states ..you created a thread which I knew was about Wilder vs the U.K......
     
    GALVATRON, Dec 26, 2017
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