AJ vs. Wilder

What about Dibella, Wilder's other promoter he has clearly stated before that the fight isn't PPV in the US at the moment. Which one of Wilder's promoters is right? The one barking on about 50/50 in Schaefer or the one who worked for HBO for many years and knows the networks far better than the Swiss banker Schaefer.

These guys can say whatever they like, doesn't mean it's true as you say they all have an agenda though not sure why Dibella would say what he did other than it being the truth.

All we know for sure is that AJ is a huge PPV draw in the UK, while Wilder can't draw for **** which is why he's going to half fill the Barclay's center in Brooklyn again for his next fight in March, while Joshua likely gets 80K to fill the principality stadium and sells well over 1 mill PPV's.

 

Everyone on boxing forums thinks they're an expert on fightmaking, sports analysis, or PEDs.

It's just part of the times. Someone watches a YouTube video on something, and they think they're an expert.

 

They need to work out a mathematical formula to work out what each fighter is worth based on past ppv, gate takings and belts held.

Unfortunately, Deontay has fought and defeated no-one of note and therefore has no serious following. AJ on the other hand is huge in the UK and may be as big as Wilder in the US.

Wilder is looking for the cash out fight and wants to make it worth his while, otherwise he will continue to crush tin cans until the opportunity presents itself.

 

It's all hypothetical anyway - Joshua will fight Parker next in March or April. It will be minimum 4 months before any proper negotiations could start with Wilder (and that's if AJ wins).

The landscape can change a lot in that time. Tyson Fury could shake things up as well. A fit and firing Fury is a much bigger scalp for Joshua, and a ridiculously huge fight in the UK. The casual interest in that one is off the charts.

Wouldn't surprise me if it's 2019 before Joshua vs Wilder gets made, and of course that's if they both keep winning.

 

Parker would have no bearing on a Wilder fight. The landscape can't change unless Wilder himself has a ppv event in the states or fights a guy like Miller or Ortiz maybe at Madison Square Garden which would get more attention just solely on the historical value of that arena.

Wilder is managed by truly some knuckleheads. Unless they have a great or at least decent fight in the U.K I really can't see how any sensible person thinks Wilder on PPV generates more money in the U.S in 2018...total nonsense.

 

If AJ also gets the WBO then the WBC of course goes up in priority. We haven't heard much about Joshua being 'undisputed'. It's not something that Hearn or the Sky hype machine have really bothered marketing just yet.

It's such an easy sell I'm surprised they haven't. But good that they're not counting their chickens - Parker shouldn't be taken lightly. However, the second Joshua is one belt away you know the word undisputed is going to start appearing everywhere. Montages of Lennox Lewis, showing him against Mike Tyson for the more casual fans ... and of course showing how Wilder is the man in the way.

Even better if Wilder fights someone credible in the meantime which is what Hearn and Joshua both want. Ortiz would be the ideal because he is already relatively well known and respected in the UK. In fact beating Ortiz could be the difference between Joshua fighting Wilder before Fury instead of afterwards. It's difficult to gauge what Wilder wants though.

 

That's just it though a U.S fight isn't as big as a Wembley one BC Wilder has no relevant fights on his resume, no fight that ppl would remember BC he doesn't go fight to fight with credible guys.

He could build on his Stiverne win but would that still make a Joshua 2018 fight better in the states? I don't see how that's logical.

Undisputed comes with the actual fights , no sence in talking about it daily like Wilder who does nothing but talk on twitter...etc.

 

Yeah I know what you mean. I can't say I understand the scene in the US like I do here in the UK (not that I'm a UK expert by any stretch!), but I don't think anything can happen anytime soon for the fight to make sense to be shown in the US. I meant there's not much point in having ANY in-depth discussion about Wilder vs AJ, because a lot can happen between now and the next time the fight is viable. But this feels like groundhog day, I'm sure these conversations intensified the last time AJ was just committing to fighting someone else.

I try to listen to some of Wilder's interviews but he is barely intelligible most the time (and it seems deliberate to me - I don't believe he is 'really' that stupid).

Joshua has said the same thing where he can't understand where Wilder is coming from. But hey ho, either way Joshua has made it clear he wants to unify every belt in 2018. It's Parker first, so in the meantime Wilder has two options - he can either find a decent opponent to start proving he is the real deal; or he can sit tight, hope AJ comes through against Parker, and then hope Tyson Fury doesn't get in the way of him cashing in his golden ticket.

 

Hopefully this fight happens in 2018, i favor Wilder.

 

You sure picked a good name for the board lol.. Youll fit right in here..

 

Joshua does 1 Million PPV's because it is cheap as chips.Joshua does 80K because the tickets are cheap in comparison to the US.It's good for the fans but it aint good for Joshua and the Moneymakers.

 

joshua earned $31 million for his 2 fights this year.

paid for by fans who earn in about 50% of the time minumum wage .

**** the moneymakers / joshua earned it they dont.

you are asking those same fans to spend there hard earned money to travel to america
/ pay huge over inflated hotel fees
huge over inflated venue ticket fees
and for what ?
so joshua can earn even more money and moneymakers can make more.

no fans means no sport
the overpricing of ppv both in the uk and especially the usa has meant 300k watching a fight is considered prime exposure
that none of the other 320 million would never watch is why ppv is driving boxing into a dark tunnel exposure wise.

 

If Wilder and his team want 50/50 and to stage the fight in America then they need to take all the gambles and put the money up, end of discussion!

The reasoning is this:

• Anthony Joshua could reasonably expect to earn £20,000,000 for this fight if it were staged in the U.K. So if Wilder wants an even payday he and his team need to find £40,000,000 to pay the fighters purses.

• If the fight was at Wembley Hearn can cast iron guarantee a sell out however if it’s staged in the U.S.A. there’s no suitable venue which is as big and given Wilders lack of profile it’s a huge huge gamble on it selling well let alone selling out.

• The PPV numbers in the U.K. are a known quantity and would be expected to rise over those generated by the Klitschko fight. However, those sales are almost 100% to U.K. or European based fight fans and therefore the 22.30 GMT scheduling is massively important. Moving the fight to an American audience friendly 04.00 GMT schedule would have an unknown negative impact on those sales therefore making the PPV sales a big gamble.

The upshot of this is that if Wilder and his team want the fight in the USA and a 50/50 split then they can’t reasonably expect Matchroom to put the financial guarantees in place when the whole thing is such a huge gamble.

Loud mouth empty vessel Wilder and his opinionated team need to back up their big talk, go out and find the backers and take the gamble themselves thereby allowing them to make an offer which delivers all their demands.

They won’t because they can’t which suits them because they don’t actually want the fight they’re ducking it by making impossible demands as outlined above.

 

Yeah poor Joshua making more money in 1 fight that Wilder will for his entire career. How will Joshua deal with earning only 31 mill this year, maybe he should start a budget and move back to his mums council flat, lol.