Ajs resume vs Bowes resume

Old wlad>Holyfield.

 

Bowe lost twice to golota as well

 

Too soon. Also, a Wlad in his 40's coming off an almost two year retirement can't be compared to an undefeated and prime Holyfield. If Joshua goes on to beat Wilder and can successfully defend the undisputed title a few times against some good contenders I would rate him around or over Bowe, but for now not even close.

 

Bowe's best wins

World champion
Holyfield 1
Holyfield 3

HW beltholders
Hide
Tubbs
Thomas
Seldon
Dokes

Contenders/fringe contenders (at least top 20-25 at the time of the fight)

Donald
Gonzalez
Cooper
Coetzer
Ferguson
Biggs


Joshua's best wins

World champion
Klitschko

HW Beltholders
Parker
Martin

Contenders/fringe contenders (at least top 20-25 at the time of the fight)
Takam
Whyte
Breazeale
Molina


You decide.
I'd go with Bowe.

Holyfield was peak, undefeated HW champion in their 1st meeting, while Wlad was 41.

More beltholders for Bowe (average and weak, but still), AJ has one average (Parker) and one weak (Martin).

And more contenders/fringe contenders (I didn't include Kevin Johnson for AJ as he was 1-4 in his last 5 fights prior to AJ fight).

Still too early to compare though as AJ has many years left as a pro.

 

Bowe's resume is very poor outside of the Holyfield wins, so it's not like having a resume as good as Bowe's is that much to celebrate to be honest.

Bowe only defended the titles twice and won a total of 5 world title wins if we include the WBO, while Joshua has already had as many successful defenses as Bowe had world title wins.

Bowe's 3 defences against Ferguson, Dokes and Gonzalez are on par with Breazeale, Molina and Takam.

Bowe has one ATG on his resume with Holyfield, while Joshua has Wlad. Wlad was past prime, but then Holyfield was a former cruiser and undersized. But I rate the Holyfield win slightly higher.

I'd say Bowe has a slightly better resume at the moment. If Joshua beats Wilder or Povetkin then I'd rate his resume on par with Bowe's at the very least. If he beats them both then I'd say he would surpass Bowe's resume.

 

It’s difficult to say what Joshua’s current resume will mean atm, as we don’t know what a couple of his opponents will go on to achieve. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that Parker will go on to win another world title. Even Whyte might get there. Suddenly Joshua’s resume, as is, would look even better.

It will only truly be possible to judge his resume a generation after his retirement.

 

This is a subject that has always bugged me in a way.

If you have a dominant HW champ people tend to think it is a poor weak era whereas if you dont have a fully dominant champ people tend to think its a stronger division rather than just evenly matched fights.

For example -
- Ali gets beat by Frazier who loses to Foreman who loses to Ali and all won world titles and suddenly people say its a strong division and 3 ATGs at the same time.
- L Lewis except for a couple of losses pretty much dominated the HW division and people tend to say its a weaker division with just one ATG champ. Imagine how the HW division may have been without L Lewis. There were exciting fights between Tua/Rahman and Briggs/Botha. If those had of been title fights without Lewis being around, I expect some people would have raved about it
- W Klitschko, similar to above but imagine how competitive the HW division may have been without Wladimir?


Its amazes me how posters say an undefeated record means nothing but get hyped about fights and losses when an undefeated record is in the mix

 

although Bowe has better resume, I don’t care mych about it.
Bowe would beat Jashua pretty easy. Bowe was skilled , Joshua is not.

 

This is it in a nutshell. Right now the heavyweight division is exciting because no one is on Wlad’s level (prime). It’s my opinion of course. We do like to romanticise about the past eras. I’m of the opinion that Wlad’s era was boring, not because there weren’t any talented fighters, but because Wlad was simply exceptional. Joshua could go on to be an ATG, but if he were about during Wlad’s prime then I’m confident he would be just one of many talented fighters that couldn’t get from under Wlad’s shadow.

It’s all about timing I guess.

 

Its an interesting subject

when Joshua and Wladimir fought -
Do I think Joshua with only 18 fights would have beaten prime Wladimir? Possibly not
Do I think Wladimir with only 18 fights would have beaten Joshua with only 18 fights? Possibly not

An exceptional champ often prevents other fighters from becoming champions during that era


I think Wladimir started fighting alot of less experienced undefeated fighters later on and with that, he nearly cleaned up because if he retired many would have had a loss to Wladimir on their resume which I doubt they would have got away from when talking points happen. Wladimir did keep fighting good fighters on a regular basis
If you look at Wladimirs last 8 fights 7 of them were against undefeated fighters and only Fury and Joshua beat him with Povetkin, Pulev, Pianetta, Wach, Jennings all losing their 0 to him

 

The Holyfield win is ten thousand times better than any win Joshua will ever have.

 

bowe was overated at the time / extremely carefully manged by rock newman / avoided all the punchers of the day.

he was a good fighter /was good to watch and the three holyfield fights were great fights / i enjoyed all three.

but bowes career was over after the trilogy and he faded very quick burnt out by his weight gain and weight loss programme.

warning to fury.

his resume flatters to deceive
gonzalez kod bowe as an amatuer/ as a pro bowe ripped off his head and **** down his neck.

larry donald was a fairly novice pro who had a nice stand up style with no power at all and did not have anything in which to keep bowe off.

i fotgot hide . he was fast and powerfull / but small and very chinny

thats it the rest were over the hill names fighting for a last paydays

coetzee was a small version of lucas browne

so bowes career IMO revolves all around holyfield trilogy and it is rightly what he is remembered for / the rest of his resume is bum fluff.

AJ resume is whyte / martin/ breazeale/ klitchko /parker /takam

bowe is hide /donald /holyfield X 3 /galota x 2 /gonazalez

pretty even
but if joshua does not fight wilder then he is in the smae boat history wise as bowe of ducking the biggest rival of your era out there.

bowe gets marked down for this and so will joshua if for wahatever reason the fight does not happen

 

Name me a better win at HW since?

 

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