Ajs resume vs Bowes resume

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  1. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    buster matthis jnr name your lkooking for
    i forgot about that fight TBH the tillry one always comes to mind but not matthis jnr
     
  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks!

    Bowe really should have 3-4 more losses on his record. He was a good heavy, but not what he is made out to be. To me, he will always be the guy who chickened out of an agreement to fight Lewis.
     
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  3. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've scored Bowe - Tubbs 6-4 or 7-3 for Bowe, as did two commentators and the newspapers. That wasn't robbery. Tubbs performed better than expected but still lost. It was fair decision.

    As for Holy and PEDs, I have no doubt that most if not all top boxers are juicing (and Holy was never caught after the fight, the Evan Fields story came in between any fights or training camps).

    I suspect Holy was juicing as any other top HWs of the last few decades, but it's not proven.
     
  4. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Except he was getting roids delivered to an address very near his house from a known ped clinic under the false name Evan Fields. When the number associated with the Fields account was called - guess who answered.
     
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  5. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That story is well-known :) We can name many who got caught and thousands who weren't while juicing. Holy was caught in his 40s, he can say he was clean in his 20-30s.

    'Not proven' I meant about other possible PED users which were too many to name here.
     
  6. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    If he does that it would put him far above Bowe. On resume, it wouldn't even be close.
     
  7. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They’re pretty close right now, I’d give Bowe the edge right now but think Joshua will over take him soon…it’s tough because Bowe looked so good for a short time…Rock Neumann protected Bowe, which was a huge mistake in many ways…

    Bowe was fluid and fast, with excellent skills, but, lazy in training after winning the championship…Joshua is not as natural but is a capable and great student and highly motivated…In the long run, I’ll take highly motivated almost every time…
     
  8. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Maybe clean in 30s, but we just have his word for it. I am always a tad more suspicious of a dude who started out operating at 190lb, especially when you add in being caught late in career.
     
  9. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Disingenuous list.

    You are including his second win over Holyfield, but not his loss. That's not fair, they should even out. AJ doesn't have a loss yet.

    You are also listing anyone who ever held a belt for Bowes wins, and equating it to AJs win over Parker, which isn't fair. AJ beat a legit belt hold to unify, which Bowe never did.

    Parker was a clear and strong top 5 in the division. Bowe never faced anyone besides Holyfield like that.

    Brazaele, Whyte, and Takam are fairly clear top ten or 12 hws. You can make an argument for Hide Donald and Tubbs being top tenish at time of bout, but their success was mostly either earlier or later. AJ has been clearly facing and defending against better regarded competition as a HW champ than Bowe was.

    Bowes main strength in resume is depth of top 25ish opponents. That's the most perfunctory part of a resume. Meanwhile, everything else is close to a wash.

    If AJ doesn't have as good a resume yet, he probably will in his next fight or two, assuming he keeps winning.
     
  10. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    This is close to how I see it, although I'd put him more clearly above Bowe with a win over either Povetkin or Wilder
     
  11. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You're a bit harsher on Bowe than I am, but Im inclined to agree about AJ being a top ten HW if he fully unifies, beats those three and doesnt take a loss while doing it.
     
  12. Big Ukrainian

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    Bowe never unified cause he won 3 belts in his 1st title fight.

    AJ beat legit belt holder to unify (Parker), but he also beat the least deserving (without any doubt) HW beltholder ever (Charles Martin).
     
  13. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I don't disagree with either statement.

    But Parker was still a vastly better opponent than anyone Bowe ever fought and clearly beat besides Holyfield.
     
  14. Big Ukrainian

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    True.

    Bowe could've had more name opponents (Lewis and Mercer). Not fighting Lewis was his fault, and Mercer came out of shape and lost to Ferguson.

    Tubbs wasn't at his best, Thomas and Dokes were shot, Hide wasn't top-5 HW, and Seldon was probably the weakest beltholder of 90s.
     
  15. Loudon

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    To be fair, you have been a bit disingenous, as you haven't put 'old' next to Wlad's name like you have with some of Bowe's opponents.

    It's also very difficult to compare stats from previous eras. Yes, Parker is obviously a top 5 HW. But that's in today's era. We don't know whether he'd be classed as a top 5 HW in Bowe's era.

    Would Brazaele and Takam etc have been top 10-12 HW's in Bowe's era? What success have they had?

    If Hide and Golota were active today, then they would certainly be in the today's top 10.

    If you want to compare rankings from past eras, you have to put them into context.
     
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