Al Bernstein: PBF is good but PAC beats him!

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Yep, Bernstein makes a great point: The problem in this fight for Mayweather is the volume of Pacquiao's punching.

I used to feel as though PBF would beat Pac because he would catch him much the same way that he caught Hatton.

I changed my mind after the Cotto fight, and I think Team Floyd did as well.

I'm not saying Floyd couldn't knock Pac out, but I'm much less convinced he would do it now and his descent into pot-shotting from being a combination puncher isn't going to help him any in this regard.

So, you're left with one guy throwing many more punches than the other. Yes, sometimes the defense-first fighter can win that match-up, but it doesn't happen often. And it isn't likely to happen when and if Pac unleashes combination after combination as he did against, say, Clottey.

 

I have a theory that in the actual fight, if it were to happen, Mayweather would employ a high guard against Pacquiao.


But Mayweather has the speed and intelligence to figure Pacquiao out anyway.


Don't want to underestimate Mayweather here, he is, for sure a HOFer and has ATG skills.

 

No doubt, no doubt.

I had maintained for years that Mayweather would beat Pacquiao if they fought each other. But I changed my mind, I think, after the Cotto fight. Because I no longer felt confident that Mayweather would be able to knock Pac out. And the disparity in the amount of thrown punches was too much, IMO.

It reminds me of Lewis-Klitschko. If they fought 10 times I would pick Klitschko 10 times. Why? Because Vitali throws too much and I don't think Lennox can knock him out absent a cut or other injury. It's just a numbers game to me.

Floyd is very slick and still has a lot left. He is special. Pacquiao, though, is also special and he still throws in wicked combination. Enough to win rounds, and bank rounds. I think Floyd would have to knock him down several times or KO him in order to win, and I'm not sure that would happen at this point.

 

You pacfucs really are clueless... tell you what, I`ll take a bet any of you that Pacquiao wont be good enough to beat Mayweather.... ANY BET !

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It's a very good point ( Pacs massive output ) and i've toyed with that idea too.

Consider this. After studying Floyd though i feel he has a brilliant ability to make his opponents hesitate after a few rounds.

Take oscar for example, if i remember correctly he was throwing his jab for the first 5-6 rounds and having some success. A lot of people believe that ODLH decided to stop using his jab for no reason around the 6th round. I personally believe that Mayweather started to counter the jab a little too effectively for ODLHs liking and that itself was the reason the jab stopped being effective for ODLH.

Also Mayweather Mosley. Mosley had success in the first few rounds. Many believe he gassed, i don't. From what i can remember ( it's been a while since i watched that fight ) Floyd dominated the rest of the second round with counters. From then on Mosley was shutdown. Gassed ? my personal opinion is no.
Mosley later stated that he felt "tight" during the fight.
As an ex/casual AM boxer myself ( i realise they are fighting at a whole different level than me ) i can relate to this feeling, and it never came about because i was tired. I always felt that way against counter punchers with more speed than me. I throw a jab, only to be countered. i throw a hook, only to be countered again. This really tenses you up and makes you second guess yourself. With these guys you start to believe that everything you throw will be countered in some way. This reduces your output, makes you feel "tight" and makes you hesitate whenever you think about unleashing some sort of attack.

For this reason, i do not think Pac will be throwing 100 punches a round. maybe for the first few rounds, he'll most likely have success as most people fighting floyd do, but Floyd will counter counter counter and leave pac second guessing himself.

Linkin.

 

i don't think pac will throw as much punches as he threw against cotto, margarito et al. it will be a chess match. floyd is the best in counterpunching, so i think pac will pick his attack, or else he will be tagged a lot of times. floyd ring intelligence will come into play, that's why i think floyd will beat pac.

 

So what's the record of Boxers/Trainers/Exports choosing between Floyd/Pacquiao

Something like 50-13 Floyd.

Enjoy your Al.

 

I think Pac will throw 4-5 punches then move out, throw 4-5 punches and move out, not waiting to fully engage. Combining both body and head punches in bunches.

Mayweather will employ his usual Philly shell but he will lose rounds. Beause even if Pac is not landing on anything, he is the one throwing punches.

Mayweather is not very mobile anymore. He tends to employ upper body movement to avoid punches. But that is susceptible to body punching because although the head is hard to hit, the body would be stationary. And Pac has underrated body punching.

 

Here it is on another thread. And I have been saying this for so long now.

By Patrick White: At present the most anticipated possible fight in the sport of boxing is Manny Pacquiao versus Floyd Mayweather. The interest centres on a number of interrelated factors. They are by most accounts the two best pound-for-pound boxers in the world. They have very different boxing styles; with Pacquiao being primarily an offensive fighter, and Mayweather being primarily defensive. They also have contrasting personalities. While Pacquiao is generally polite and humble, Mayweather is often brash and self-aggrandizing. But who is likely to win should they ever agree to fight?

The deciding factor in my opinion will centre on Pacquiao’s unique ability to throw high and low punches within a single combination, without changing his body position, and whilst moving forward or standing still. That is, the way he can throw a head-shot and then within the same sequence of punches follow it up with a body shot – or throw a body shot followed by a headshot – without moving his head or torso very significantly, and at the same time remaining stationary or advancing towards his opponent. Hopefully readers will know what I am trying to describe here, but if not have a look at Pacquiao’s fight with Antonio Margarito and keep an eye out for this move.

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Alternatively, if Pacquiao were to open up a flurry with a series of body shots, Mayweather would bring his arm-guard lower down and attempt to evade the punches on foot, which would then leave his head exposed when Pacquiao threw a headshot within the same combination – something which, as I mentioned above, he is fully capable of doing when moving forward.

While this may seem like a very minor point, I think this weakness in Mayweather’s defence relative to Pacquiao’s unusual offensive ability to quickly and seamlessly transition between high and low punches could be the difference that separates two otherwise evenly matched fighters. Indeed, I think this argument is given support by Mayweather’s recent fight with Shane Mosley. During the second round of that fight, the first of the two big right hands that Mosley landed on Mayweather – and which very nearly knocked him out – occurred after Mosley threw a low jab towards Mayweather’s abdomen. As I suggested would happen with Pacquiao should they meet, Mayweather dropped his hands to defend against this jab and was then subsequently caught with a straight right hand to the head. Pacquiao is faster, younger and able to switch between high and low shots more seamlessly than Mosley, why then would he not be able to consistently land this same type of shot? For this reason I predict that Pacquiao would beat Mayweather should they ever meet in the squared circle.

 

But we all know that when you get in with a skilled opponent your output significantly decreases. Just look at Pacquiao's output vs Clottey, Margarito, Cotto and ODLH then compare it to his fights with Marquez his punch stats are way lower.

Those 4 are easy to hit and come forward in straight lines, look at Marquez lots of movement and counter punching and suddenly Pacquiao isn't throwing as much as he does.

We all know Mayweather is on a different level to Marquez in terms of skill, that's just a few of my thoughts.

 

Look at Hatton's numbers vs Urango and Tsyzu then compare them to vs Mayweather. Different levels.