Al Bernstein's scorecard for Whitaker-Chavez: 118-110 Whitaker

I had it 6-5-1 Whitaker.


And for one of the few great fights I can say this about, I was there and close.

 

Hey Seamus, since you were there live. Did you ever think right after the fight when you were there, of the controversy that would ensue from the scores read????
The Sports Illustrated cover and everything......

My scorecard read a draw, and I would have never in a million years have guessed that this fight would be pointed too by the fans and media today as one of the worst robberies of all-time.

One thing is to think that Whitaker won, but to paint a picture that it was uncompetitive and say that its one of the worst robberies of all-time????:huh

It really does baffle me to this day how the media worked it up to get to this point!

 

I was actually surprised that this fight was close when I first watched it. Kept hearing how Whitaker embarrased Chavez in the internet and even my father who watched it live when it happened said it may have been a win for Whitaker. So just like in the Chris John/Marquez fight, I went in with the impression I would be watching the wrong man get outclassed.

3 professional judges saw a close fight, and so did I and many as well. I would have abolutely no problem if people said that Whitaker took it 7-5 or 6-5-1. But to say it was an embarrassment and robbery? I find it a bit ridiculous.

I would post my scores if I still had them. Since it is actually a very uneventful fight I don't have an immediate desire to watch it again. I'll rather focus on the exciting match ups coming up. :good

 

Just off topic here for a bit.....has anybody noticed, or know why is it that when you edit a post, at the very bottom in small print, it has last edited....and then it states a name other than your own.

Look at 4rounder right above me, it says last edited by flatlander.....:huh

 

Wow. I suppose this proves the Theory of Relativity exists at the "opinion" level also. When I'm being GENEROUS to Chavez, looking for everything I can possibly score for him, I struggle to score it 116-112... Personally.

 

Heh...

just barely noticing that.

probably some script bug.

 

I've noticed it for some time now....I wonder why it has'nt been corrected by the powers that be, or like you said, it may be a script bug thats not worth the hassle correcting.

.......but what the hell does Flatlander have to do with you???:nut

 

Here is my round by round. I have posted this before asking the people who think Chavez won or that it was a draw to dispute it...but noone ever does. This was an EASY fight to score.

Anyway...here is my round by round.

Chavez - Whitaker

Round1

10-9 Chavez applies good pressure, keeping Pea for the most part hesitant to throw any type of combos. Both fighters feel each other out for the most part.

Round2

9-10 (19-19) Pea hit Chavez with a few clean power shots, keeps the jab in his face for the most part...Chavez content to come forward and swing sparingly, but for the most part missing.

Round3

9-10 (28-29) Whitaker lands at will, continuously beating Julio to the punch. Keeps the jab in Chavez's face, working exclusively off that. Sneaks in a few good body shots and power shots as well. Chavez fails to land anything clean all round.

Round4

9-10 (37-39) Again Whitaker beats Chavez to the punch, even switches to the aggessor for the first half of the round, before going back to backing up and boxing off his jab. Chavez lands one nice jab and one nice bodyshot. Sweet Pea even gets the better of him on the inside.

Round5

10-9 (47-48 ) Very good round for Chavez. Landed a couple good body shots and one great right hook on the inside. Pea came back in the last minute to make the round close.

Round6

9-10 (56-58 ) Missing from the video (sorry..posted another one that has it after the rest...). But Sweet Pea beating Chavez to the punch, Chavez coming forward, getting caught. Unintetional low blow by Pea...

Round7

9-10 (65-68 )BIG ROUND FOR WHITAKER. Sweet Pea looks confident, snapping the jab, landing combination after combination. Again switches to the aggressor for the second half of the round....continuously beating Chavez to the punch. Chavez looks VERY confused and frustrated.

Round8

9-10 (74-78 )Another great round for Whitaker. The fight toe to toe for the whole round and Whitaker STILL beats Chavez to the punch. Chavez looks tired. Whitaker lands in flurries throughout. Even backs Chavez up on more than a few occasions.

Round9

9-10 (83-88 )Chavez starts the round off well coming forward and landing a couple of good shots. Whitaker switches back to working off the jab and lands some great combinations as well as some great counter left hooks. Chavez sneaks in a good right toward the end, but is immediately countered with an even better one. They go toe to toe toward the very end of the round with Whitaker landing cleaner and more.

Round10

9-10 (92-98 ) Chavez rushes Whitaker right at the bell and lands, but again is countered with a flurry by Sweet Pea. More of the same. Whitaker beating Chavez to the punch. Even starting SNAP Chavez's head back with each jab landed.

Round11

9-10 (101-108 )More of the same. Whitaker landing more, cleaner and harder. Chavez unable to find Whitaker...again Chavez looks VERY frustrated.

Round12

10-9 (111-117) Chavez lands a few good shots and stalks Whitaker, obviously knowing he needed a KO. Whitaker content to do just enough to keep Chavez off of him.

So there you have it...111-117.

 

What the hell are you talking about?
Dorfmeister posted a nice round by round earlier in the thread....

....I've done so way in the past, and since I did'nt save my round by round analysis of the fight, it would mean I had to rewatch and take notes all over again.

Quite frankly in debating this fight, a round by round debate of it is uneccesary.....either you like Chavez' come foward aggression and take note and credit shots to the body.....or you take note and overcredit Pea's punching with his feet not firmly planted to the ground.
There is alot of running and alot of light punching on Pernell's part.

.....its how and why one credits those things that you come up with a conclusion on who won some of these closer rounds.

You have it 9-3 in favor of Whitaker, believe me a round by round debate of it is not going to change my mind or yours!


....btw Sues, I love you unbias depiction of round 6 "unintentional low blow by Whitaker":rofl :rofl :rofl
Whitaker threw two low blows in succesion.....one of the few times in the fight Whitaker actually had his feet firmly planted to the ground.
I dont think those low blows were coincidental!:yep

 

And I love your unbiased outlook at how to score a fight.

You dont score a round or fight soley on body shots and aggression (especially when that aggression is in no way effective). Pea was defensively better, he landed the cleaner shots throughout, he dictated the pace and made that fight HIS FIGHT...Chavez came forward, got hit over and over, occasionally landed a good shot and was beaten to the punch throughout. But you want us to look at the BODY PUNCHING!?!?!?!?



Correctly scored (not what type of style you prefer), this fight was largely in favor of Pernell.

(and as I have said beforehand, I under normal circumstances think your a sound poster....just NOT HERE...definately not here.)

 

Thats great Sues, I've let it be known of my criteria of scoring the fight.

My point about Chavez' body punching is to point out that alot of people dont value shots to the body and ignore them when it comes to actually giving scoring credit to them.
Its not the sole reason to credit Chavez for winning a round, I never said it was. Only one of the reasons.

You dont agree with it, fine.
I dont agree with yours. I think you overcredit Whitaker for some of the things he did in the fight, and undercredit Chavez.

I feel the same way about your scoring of the fight that you do about my scoring.

You can criticize or ridicule my scoring of the fight all you want, but there were three official professional judges who agreed with me.
The three judges that count!:deal :yep

 

10-2 or 118-110 Whitaker is a perfectly reasonable score.

 

:rofl

 

Larry wore his ass out.

"why did you QUIT??"

"Yeah but you QUIT"

"somebody ask him why he QUIT"