Al Haymon's influence in boxing is getting weaker the day

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  1. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    Arum and Oscar have really done a number on him

    some sources saying al haymon has given in Oscar said in one interview al haymon is coming round.................to the idea of letting his fighters fight his own fighters and also take tough fights

    williams and his trainer say al haymon said they can fight who they want................. but I hope its not blackmailing..........


    Will the likes of danny Garcia continue to hide behind haymon saying "I fight who is put infront of me" when will these guys step up and fight tough fights?
     
  2. Mexwarrior88

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    What about top rank fighters only fighting top rank fighters? Its no different.

    Rios vs Alvarado 3
    Bradley vs pac 2
    Jmm vs pac 4

    Soon to come.....
    Chavez vs bradley 2
    Rios vs Alvarado 4

    I would rather have had rios vs Lucas, chino, Garcia, Peterson.


    There is no doubt that golden boy/haymon have the 140-147 division on lock. Top rank don't even compare.
     
  3. antonio plaisir

    antonio plaisir the detonator Full Member

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    i remember that twerp sweetsciguru getting all excited about how masterfully haymon and hopkins were manouvering kovalev out of unification, leaving him out in the cold! the bloke really didn't have a clue.

    if haymon has realized his current m.o. ain't working, this is great news for us true boxing fans who wanna see the best fight the best.
     
  4. boxing_master

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    the difference is one side is WILLING to end the cold war but the other is not do you get it now?

    Oscar and bob working together proves this

    if al haymon had his way would continue this cold war
     
  5. boxing_master

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    haymon is really backed into a corner Oscar and arum done a number on him

    haymon by what I have heard is coming round to the idea only because he HAS no choice haymon says he cares for the fighters but that is bull**** he is messing there careers up
     
  6. pugs

    pugs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Haymon is only relevant because he has schaefer who doublecrossed oscar for him. Now that schaefer was busted, all that was left were bums and a bunch of overhyped and overpaid boxers.
     
  7. boxing_master

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    :deal
     
  8. Mexwarrior88

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    The only one willing to work with each other is Oscar with golden boy. Haymon/Schafer and arum are all greedy selfish promoters.

    Look we know you have a man crush on pac, but that doesn't mean everything pac touches is gold and great instant ideas.

    I think pac would have benefited from being a free agent. Cotto is example of this, he still uses top rank as he pleases but is not signed to a multi fight contract. He has fought trout (haymon) & floyd (haymon) now in works with canelo (golden boy).

    Pac has a name brand so huge that he could of done better then cotto. Even if he didn't fight floyd, I think he was capable of cleaning out the 140-147 division at golden boy/haymon which would of looked a lot better then rios, Chris on his resume.

    I don't disagree, haymon's tactics are hurting boxing but please don't make out arum to be some kind of savior in boxing. Oscar was the one who was mature enough to go to arum and tell him that there is too much money at stake for him to be acting like a ****.
     
  9. boxing_master

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    You have digressed but anyway arum and Oscar are both in the process of ending the cold war al haymon is the devil in this and every one knows this by now.

    regarding you're second point pac is to busy he is in politics ext so he prefers having a promoter who where gives him 25 mill pay days every time he fights so that's not a issue and cotto is not making 25 mill paydays
     
  10. Mexwarrior88

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    It takes 2 to tangle, it was Oscar who approached arum to end this. You can't dispute that and if oscar had not approached arum, then arum would still be exclusive top rank. Both haymon and arum have equal blame because both are in a position where they can reach out to each other and end the cold war. You act as if haymon has to be the one to do it, why can't arum reach out to haymon?

    Pac is to busy? Lol duh! You think cotto runs his own promotional company? These guys are just boxers, they hire advisors and lawyers for that.

    Cotto is not getting 25 million dollar paydays because he is not pac, my point exactly thanks for agreeing. But cotto has the freedom to do as he wishes which in turn might be worth more then having to be slaved to arum. Don't you wonder why cotto did not resign with arum? Just 2014 you have had a few boxers publicly state that arum is a ****ty promoter, mickey and Chavez Jr being the biggest names. Arum is hurting boxing as much as haymon both can physically reach out to each other and end this cat fight.
     
  11. boxing_master

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    it went both ways both Oscar and arum decided to end it does not matter who approached who first bottom line is al haymon was the guy who was the problem and Oscar found this out late even after arum was advising him long before that was part of the reason why Oscar came running back because what arum said was true.

    Cotto just did not want to play second fiddle to pacquaio everyone knows arum favours pac and for good reason arum invests all his time on pacquaio and every fighter who signs with him is aware of this anyway this is nothing to do what were talking about pacquaio is happy with his current deal he makes 25 mill paydays and also add to the fact pacquaio is not money hungry unlike mayweather.
     
  12. Mexwarrior88

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    OK so you start a thread about how ****py haymon is, but then you say Arum favors pac and applys most of his resources to pac and his other fighters have to accept this???? Ok, then I understand now why so many of his own want to leave him, ****ty promoter.

    Doesn't matter that pac is not money hungry (you don't know that, all fighters want the most they can get) arum should still be giving pac the most possible. Pacquiao should not have had to take out advanced loans from arum or have tax problems.

    Your last post shows how hard you troll pac, you say arum is good soley because he takes care of pac (far from the truth) while also saying his other fighters are not priority.

    False, oscar came out to talk to arum to end the war. Arum had no intentions of doing that, it was oscar who after rehab went on a spiritual venture and also claimed many times he wants to end the war. Then a couple of weeks later he said he approached arum and arum also confirmed that it was Oscar who reached out to him. Don't troll because there is tons of proof.

    Arum still stand by his "I'm waiting by my phone"

    Why do you defend Bob?if pac left arum would you still be a fan of Bob?
     
  13. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    It depends my promotur, Bob Arum
     
  14. boxing_master

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    WRONG Oscar came to the realisation haymon was screwing him and he himself recalled when arum warned Oscar about him that's why he ran back to arum they both discussed the issue and decided they would make a united effort to end the cold war you can not deny this sonny it takes two to tango arum could of easily told Oscar to **** of especially after how Oscar never listened to him before

    the fact remains al haymon is the only one ****ing the sport up not Oscar and not arum but haymon
     
  15. Mexwarrior88

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    Lol you are so pacwashed you can't even see straight you think Oscar really sat in his chair and felt guilty about not listening to arum in the past? Gtfo lol you are trolling mega hard. Oscar still works with haymon fighters so its only arum who does not work with haymon fighters. Oscar does business with both troll.

    Again, would you still be a fan if pac left arum.

    Answer these questions

    1) how do you feel that at one point, pac felt ripped off that he had to hire vision quest?

    2)how did you feel when vision quest confirmed pac is owed millions and is being ripped off?

    3) how did you feel when it came to light that pac is having (still currently) tax problems?

    4)how did you feel when you heard at one point pac had to take out loans?

    Its funny pacs problems line up exactly with those that oscar and Floyd used to have with arum. As soon as they left him their careers sky rocketed in terms of money. Only you can defend the likes of arum , you would defense don king if pac was signed to him.