Alan Minter...how good was he?

No.I don't remember anything.But I read on these boards that Hagler said Finnegan was the toughest man he ever fought.Can anyone confirm that?

 

I'll reply and leave it at that. The only posts I see from you are ragging on former opponents of Hagler, of course Leonard and now Minter.

1.) Big deal. Get over it, both you and Marv. If he was so dominant he would've disposed of the crude Antuofermo properly. Marv made millions, and to his great credit, walked away gracefully (for the most part). Kudos to him. We could probably name about 100,000 fighters who would be OK making millions and not getting a title shot until their 48th fight. Get over it.

2.) He was clearly the better man, but he took his foot off the pedal and allowed Antuofermo back in the fight. Now I'm not suggesting Antuofermo deserved a draw, but Hagler should've closed the show.

3.) Terrible scene. Marv seems like a pretty smart guy to me. I'm sure he knows he had and still has millions more admiring fans than the drunk soccer hooligans that night.

4.) Aah ****, there's a shocker Rooster, I mean Clinton, you somehow worked Ray Leonard into an Alan Minter thread. Marv had Ray in the ring for 12 rounds. A Welterweight with a detached retina, with an admitted drug problem, who only had about 10 rounds of real fighting in 5 years. Marv blew it, even if you think Marv won (which I don't), it shouldn't have even been close. People were fearing for Leonard's health going in to that fight.

You just have an obsession with tearing down any fighter (apparently) who stepped into a ring with Marv. Leonard beat him. OK, I get the bitterness. Hagler beat the **** out of Minter. I'd say Hagler settled that one. Maybe you can leave that one alone. Who's next, Loucif Hamani? What's your beef with Loucif? That's rhetorical, I'm not interested in your opinion on Loucif or anything else, because it's pretty predictable.

I'm leaving this thread Ace, you can continue protecting society from Alan Minter if you choose. Hopefully that will keep you occupied for awhile. :hi:

 

What an absolute **** post.Crap.You most definitely belong on the general more than here.First off Marvin didn't start making millions until after he became the Champion,so get your head out of your ass.And just because Hagler didn't close the show,he still rightfully deserved the title right then and there.Even someone like you admits Hagler was the better man.I am actually a fan of Duran's,Briscoe's,Antuofermo's and I respect Hearns,so say goodbye to both your theory and credibility.I hated Leonard long before the whole Hagler thing went down,but since you don't even know me or anything about me,it's obvious how arrogant you are as you purport to being able to read me without ever having met me.But coming from an apologist of an ******* that made a racist remark that partially inspired a riot,I'm just not surprised.Are you English?And btw,racist apologist,you're the one that introduced Hagler's bitterness by writing,"...could easily have called Marvin a bitter ***** with a perpetual chip on his shoulder,been spot on...",so that's why I brought Leonard into it as more proof of why Marv should be so bitter.I leave you now,so you can go on and continue to defend racists and their racist behavior everywhere.:hi:

 

Ironically, I just YESTERDAY listed Hagler as my fifth favorite fighter of all time...............No, I'm not English, not of English descent, never been to England. I know about as much as you about Alan Minter, which means other than seeing a handful of his fights, I don't know **** about Alan Minter and neither do you. The guy made a comment 30 years ago. It was a different time. No he didn't recant his comment (as far as I know), but it wasn't the extreme political correct era that it is now. I don't recall a great demand for him to recant his comments. You're the only one spewing hatred of fighters. As far as I know, Minter has lived a respectable life for the last 30 years. Unless the documentaries I've watched are complete bull****, but I'd prefer to believe them before you.....I know when Hagler made his millions. The point is, he made his millions 25-30 years ago. He cashed in. No need to be bitter. Hagler did it right, got out at the right time with his fortunes and faculties in tact, and is thought of as an elite ATG. He's one of the last fighters who should be bitter and I doubt he needs you carrying that cross for him. Quit whining about the injustices to Hagler. Look in to Rocky Lockridge or Bobby Chacon (to name a very few), if you want an axe to grind. Don King has raped hundreds of fighters. Be bitter for them.
No I don't claim to know you. I just call'em like I see'em and all I see you do is tear down opponents of Hagler.
Minter made a racist comment 30 years ago. You don't know **** about Minter. Write him a letter. Ask him if he's a racist. Otherwise, maybe you should let it go. Decent people do bad things. Maybe I choose not to be as cynical as you:

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As far as your "calling them as you see them",obviously you are blind because I "tore down" 2 of Hagler's opponents.Just 2.That's right-TWO.So,in your eyes,I tear down Hagler's opponents because I tore down 2 of what,63?How insightful and perceptive of you.:-(NEWSFLASHDON KING IS A SCUMBAG.DON KING GOT AWAY WITH MURDER(LITERALLY)AND ****ED HIS BOXERS NO END.No ****ing ****.As Tim Witherspoon and Larry Holmes(amongst many others)would attest,King stole from countless fighters and is a huge piece of ****.And when someone brings it up on a thread on ESB,I'll(along with many others)comment on it as this is still a boxing forum,which is an open discussion.And I agree with you about Chacon and Lockridge-2 fighters that I like and respect.But this thread was about people's opinions about Alan Minter and I responded with my own opinion.And if you read my other responses on this thread,you would have read that I was delighted that Hagler and Minter get along nowadays.And you're right about(just) one more thing.I don't know **** about Minter.But there is one fact that I do know.Minter made a racist remark and partially incited a riot because of it.So if someone runs another thread about what their opinions are about Minter,I'm going to write what I just wrote and I'm sure I won't be the only one as I wasn't even on this one.Get over it.

 

The thread title is "Alan Minter............How good was he?" A comment he made 30 years ago has absolutley nothing to do with how good he was. Hagler also made a racist comment, but that's ok? Misguided, heat of the battle bravado. I choose to forgive. Apparently Marv has to but the issue still eats at you. That's enlightened. I wonder if Minter had anything to do with all the soccer riots in that timeframe? Just a thought. Why don't you research that for us, like you've research Minter.

 

You choose to forgive?Why,was it you in the ring that night while beer bottles were crashing down on your head?How generous of you.As you claim that Marvin certainly doesn't need me to speak for him,it's quite funny and ironic that you speak on Minter's behalf.Again,for the 3rd time,I'm delighted that they get on well now.But,Marvin Hagler grew up in Newark during the race riots.His mother took their family to Brockton to escape that.It's been documented that it took him a long time to trust even the Petronellis.I haven't researched Minter and don't care to.And I certainly haven't made a claim to do so either.Even sarcastically your comment doesn't work.Funny how you brought in the soccer riots because you know Minter had nothing to do with those,but you know full well that his comments whipped up a whole bunch of racist ingrates.And here are more facts.Alan Minter made a racist comment that partially incited a riot and I don't like him for it.And it pisses you off that someone like me doesn't like Minter for it.How enlightened of you.You're the one that REALLY needs to get over the fact that I(and other people even just on this thread) don't like Minter.Believe me,you'll sleep much better at night.

 

This is about the most balanced view on the events of that night that I could find
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1123817/index.htm
Minter of course has nothing to with the football hooliganism of that era .The mentality of the "fans" though is similar .Minter would or perhaps should have known his remarks would inflame things
I grew up round it and attended many games .If you want to read more or see a decent film about the mentality of it then try a book or film called "Cass" about Cass Pennant and the ICF.
Gives a decent insight into what it was like as a black guy growing up in the East End of London as well

 

Cheers,Skidd.:good.I'd forgotten about the specific details like the National Front.Thanks

 

the best fights i saw minter in were against gratien tonna who was a bully and fortunate that minter had thin skin.in the return minter battered him.those remarks still leave a bitter taste that have damaged minters popularity and won't go away

 

Clinton
Its difficult to explain the mentality of the soccer hooliganism and i'm not sure I understand it myself completely." Cass" does pretty well and you can watch it without any knowledge of Football .It is pretty violent but I dont suspect that will put boxing fans off though
Sometimes fighters align themselves to their favourite teams and vice versa
Wembley attracted the worst elements of those followings that night .Add alcohol and I dont blame Marvin for never fighting in the UK again

 

Even though it existed for years before,hooliganism was put under the spotlight in Europe when Liverpool were in Heysel in the 80's when they were playing one of the Italian teams-I forget which one-Juventus perhaps?A friend of mine told me that Chelsea have a fanbase with the National Front.Is that true?

 

Lots of clubs hooligan elements have right wing links .Chelsea's headhunters are no different to West Hams ICF in respect of this and many others.The irony of Cass and the Inter City Firm is the fact that Cass is black and West Ham were one of the first teams to play black players.
These groups are now obvious recruiting grounds for the EDL..English Defence League
The Juventes fans have still not forgiven Liverpool for Heysel but thats another story!

 

It was somehwat difficult to get Alan to take a fight outside of the United Kingdom.
He wouldn't fight Ronnie Harris on a neutral site (Italy), and made Ronnie
take the fight in the U.K.
Ronnie carved him up.

 

In 1980 itself, just a couple of months before, the fight, England fans rioted at a tournament in Italy vs Belgium, the game was stopped and the crowd and players were affected by the tear gas set off to stem the trouble, so hooliganism was much in the public eye that year.