Alavarez-Clottey is a toss up.

Dude you were just hyping up Alvarez in your thread! Now when Clottey DOMINATES him he's a C level fighter?? Make up your mind. Margarito is a top welter and he was losing till Clottey hurt his hand so what do you mean he's "NOTHING" within the WW mix? :huh

 

As I said Alvarez is Nothing special. Easy pick for clottey, I just want to see a KO. I'm no fan of Clottey. Pick Cintron KO rd 6.

 

What "trouble" was Clottey in please point it out.. I watched the whole fight and didn't see Clottey in any trouble whatsoever. Clottey was constantly pressing the fight and was never hurt or no where near hurt or in trouble.

 

I don't even see any moment Clottey was in Trouble. Are we watching the same Fight????

 

Guys. ****ing stop already. Jesus. I feel like a leaf in a god damn hurricane here. I guarantee you, Amsterdam, huki, all of you, probably have more respect for Margarito's abilities than I do. STOP ****ing acting like giving credit to Clottey automatically means indirectly legitimizing Margarito. Margarito sucks. Clottey is a solid B+ fighter who beats any non-elite. These two notions can coexist in harmony. Your criticism and disdain of praise for Clottey seems to all be predicated on "hype" siphoned from Margarito's and perpetuated by Margarito fans to make Margarito's "win" more impressive. That is ****ing stupid, you guys, and I have to call you on your ****. The night of their fight I was arguing with Margarito huggers on this board that Clottey won the fight and thought it was ridiculous that they all though he won so clearly - and it is shocking to me that that has become the general consensus of what happened that night. Clottey is NOT a tool to legitimize Margarito as a hyped-up trophy, since he isn't a trophy for Margarito IMO, since he BEAT Margarito. You're using dishonest tactics to sludge someone you don't like (who I don't like EITHER, but that's no reason to slag a good fighter in the process). You act like you're calling Margo fans on their bull**** building Clottey up to be a good contender disingenuously to enhance Margarito. But in actuality it is YOU who are disingenuously degrading Clottey just to take the wind out of Margo's and his fans' sails. I'm sorry, but I don't approve of these tactics and there's a good fighter (never said great, never said he beats a Cotto or Mayweather - but he's a good solid contender and on a FAR higher level than Margarito) getting his name trashed as an innocent victim. Margarito hype is annoying, I understand that. But that's no reason to stoop to his fans' level and resort to disingenous domino tactics (fabricating praise or criticism for one fighter in order to elevate or downplay an opponent). Where are the supposed comments that he would beat elite welters? Where are these statements resulting from his alleged hype from the Margarito fight? All I ever saw is people saying "Clottey vs. any elite welter would be very interesting and entertaining". That should just be a given, a no-brainer for any objective person.

Look, Clottey is not "a guy who lost to Margarito". And by that I don't mean "he was winning until...". I mean he won. CLOTTEY WON THE ****ING FIGHT. He won rounds PAST the fourth. NOBODY has taken me up on my challenge to go rewatch the fight. You're all ****ing sheep, on both sides of the fence - both the Margarito hypers and the hype-busters, you all seem to agree that Margarito won the fight without question and that baffles me. That's idiotic. To say that after the hand injury become a factor Clottey was completely out of the fight is ERRONEOUS and is a lazy oversimplification rather than taking the time to look at EACH round and score the fight on a round-by-round mathematical basis. He won about half of the REST of the fight, even as relatively gunshy as he became. Margarito may have been more active but his accuracy was pathetic and ring generalship nonexistent. He did not win eight goddamn rounds straight. He was not the better man in each and every late round (and this is a HURT fighter he was losing rounds to - which goes to show what different levels they're on). It's nice and convenient (and doesn't require alot of attention or thought) to say "Yep, he was winning the early rounds but then it all fell apart" but it's not accurate, at all. And that disgusts me that everybody - ALL of you, the hypers, the haters, and the indifferent - all of you lazy ****s have gone along with the farce that Margarito clearly won eight rounds ever since then, and I've been the one voice of reason challenging that notion and it pisses me off.

 

Thank you Pac, that's what I'm saying, I don't know if this guy is biased towards Clottey or is just seeing things.

 

I guess he's saving face for giving Alvarez a chance for an upset.:yep

 

He thought Alvarez was a Supernatural.:yep

 

You hit the nail right on the head! I agree with EVERYTHING you say.