Alavarez-Clottey is a toss up.

dont listen to amsterdam... dude is hating


clottey won a 1 sided fight alvarez never should have been in the ring with him and clottey wasnt even trying..


i dont know what amsterdam's whining about... clottey being over hyped or something.. i duno

this is how everyone is rated and im sure everyone will agree as far as welterweights go that matter

floyd- A+
Cotto-A-
Williams- B+
clottey-B
Marg-B
Cintron-B
Berto- B-
Zab-B

in my eyes noone else welterweight wise matters....keep in mind also amsterdam that when everyone was saying clottey was the answer to cotto it was before the shane fight....

every fight cotto looks better and better....

 

Okay, you say it became "the thing" to say after the Margarito and Corrales fights, and that's true. But people can say the same things for different reasons. I started saying it because it was my objective analysis, not having any emotional vested interest as neither a Margarito hugger or a Corrales fanboy. In everybody else's case it was probably a knee-jerk reaction, ie "Well if he can make the mighty Margarito struggle he must be a nightmare for anyone" or "If he can beat Corrales that lopsidedly who can you favor over him?". I resent the people who rate him highly for those reasons because they're disingenous. They're not actually analyzing Clottey so much as using him to inflate the fighters they like. I won't argue that Margarito and Corrales huggers may have hyped Clottey a little after their respective fights - but I am a conscientious observer, not a big fan of either fighter (and in fact was the first to tell everybody to calm down, and that Williams is still a green prospect after beating nobody Margarito).

I just don't want to be lumped in with disingenuous fanboys. And you guys have made comments akin to "nobody would ever think to speak positively of Clottey if they didn't have agendas relating to other fighters". Clearly, I do not. And it's not even like I think Clottey's a world beater. There are at least ten welterweights I'd make him a large underdog against - half a dozen he certainly loses to 19 times out of 20 (allowing for a freak DQ or stoppage on cuts :yep). He certainly has flaws and some of them are likely irreparable at this stage of his career. I'm not saying he's going to unify or anything, and don't think anyone has ever said anything like that. Your backlash against the perceived Clottey hype is overkill IMO. I'd say the "overhyping" from fanboys with Margarito (and to a lesser extent Corrales) agendas was about a 2.0 on the Richter scale. The retaliatiatory comments tearing Clottey down are like an 8.0 - it's like using a grenade to kill a rat. If he'd never fought Margarito you'd have no reason to say anything about him really, positive or negative. The only reason you guys trash him is as a reflex against the (perceived) overhyping - which honestly, I haven't seen too much of, save the occasional "Hey how about JC versus *insert top welter* - that'd be fun, huh?". If you erased the last two years and he was just some guy you saw on Versus you'd not judge him through the same tinted lenses you see him through now that you associate him with the Margarito hype machine. So he's got flaws, so he's not good enough to be the very best at welterweight, so what? Everybody outside the very best deserves the same vitriol you guys hurl at Clottey? No, absolutely not, I've heard you guys speak of journeymen less harshly than you speak of Clottey. It's backlash, and like I said, it's OVERKILL. There isn't that much overhyping going on, and never really has been. Occasional curious conjecture as to how Clottey-Mayweather would play out is not that offensive. Hell, people have made Gomez-Mayweather what-if threads. :yep

 

I think I just like to keep things in balance; I mean, it isn't Clottey's fault that he got sucked into the web of Margarito overrating hype :yep

If they'd never fought there'd be no reason to cut him down so much, and you may very well be joining along saying "Yeah, good question, how many rounds would this B-level pressure fighter be able to take from X elite? :think"

He's a pro fighter, and a good one, and he gets disrespected because of ANOTHER fighter's bull****, which bothers me.

 

Oh Im not doubting you at all. I thought you might of been interested is all.

 

My rating of Clottey has nothing to do with my dislike for Margarito and his nuthuggers. It's very simple. Clottey is hyped by a lot of people on boxing forums for no reason. Anytime Clottey threads are made, I talk negatively about him. That's it. If he never fought Margarito and was hyped for no reason, I would say the same thing. A guy like Valero didn't fight anybody, but I have always bashed him.. if you want an example of someone else I talk negatively about who's semi hyped.

He doesn't get disrespected because of another fighter's bull****. He gets disrespected because he's not as good as general fans say he is. You seem to really hate Margarito with a passion and you're offended by people saying Margarito won the Clottey fight. I'll check out the fight again and score/explain my scoring for every round if you want. Saying Clottey is a much higher level than Margarito is a big statement and I think you being very biased against him.

 

I do not believe he has chronic hand problems because the last 3 fights I saw him in he showed no signs of injury. I also dont believe he is feather fisted as well - he did break diego's jaw and breaking bones takes some power. I think he will knock out Cotto. I will be at the sportsbook that fight and hopefully Clottey is a huge underdog. You have to admit his high gaurd is very effective against straight shots amsterdam. He can cover up very well to the body and head and even is good at deflecting shots with his left arm and left shoulder. I do not see any of Cotto's straight shots getting through that. If Cotto is forced to trade with Clottey, Joshua is going to get the better of it.

 

Clottey dominated Alvarez, which anyone who has seen Alvarez fight before knew was going to happen.

Alvarez doesn't have any pop, and at the top level, you better be one slick ass fighter to win without pop.. he did trouble Clottey at all, he landed what.. 10% of his shots during the fight? That's ****ing horrible.

There's nothing wrong with people being fans of B-Level guys.. there's nothing wrong with a guy being B-Level.

Amsterdam and the like are the worst kinds of haters, they hate on guys because others like them. It's childish.

 

I agree that Clottey is seriously over rated and have felt that way. The guy has character issues after the Margarito fight we saw Clottey wanna quit(though he didnt). I dont see him as beating the TOP WW's.
He has some skill but not enough of the whole package:nono

 

Haha...Just like Cotto blasted out Urkal? The same Urkal that Harris blasted out....

 

WTF ever.. Cotto ain't gonna blow out Clottey. Both of his losses are controversial and nobody has dominated the guy. He's rough, he punches REALLY hard, but they are heavy shots not KO shots, and he's not gonna win anyone over by his determination and willpower.

He's beating guys he should beat, and even though I also though Tony Margorito was overrated, Tony Margarito is still a good tough boxer who would give just about anyone problems.

Side note: How the hell did Shamone Alvarez KO Marteze Logan.. til that point pretty much nobody else could do that, and Logan fought everyone and their cab driver. Alvarez has ZERO pop..

I sense Lamont Peterson will fall in the same boat as Alvarez because of his lack of pop.