Alexander Povetkin top 40 heavyweight of all time?

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Give me your top 100 list please Matthew
     
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  2. McGrain

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    Would he rank above Buster Douglas?
     
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    No. I'm absolutely sick of arguing with people about my top 100. Povetkin would be in it now and if you want more you can address one of the posts above.
     
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  4. SuzieQ49

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    Machen- povetkin is taller, bigger, stronger, better puncher, better chin, better skills., better resume , much more consistent

    Povetkin - quarry is close but povetkin beats him in a war. Povetkin would have crushed opponents quarry lost too

    Povetkin knocks out johansson the one trick pony, his resume is much deeper too,

    Povetkin would never lose to a 45 year old foreman. I also thinks he beats Moorer.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    Head to head, I have no idea if he's in the top forty. Far too complicated for me to tackle.
     
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  6. janitor

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    The more time elapses, the harder it becomes to get into the top ten, top twenty, or top forty.

    Every time another quality fighter comes along, people get squeezed out.

    We are getting to the stage now, that you have to have dominated to justify a top ten ranking, and have to have been busy against the top ten to justify a top fifty ranking.
     
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  7. The Long Count

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    You rated Douglas at 61. Obviously Povetkin will never have a win like Buster's over Tyson few have but the depth of his resume is superior with fewer poor performances so far. So right now I think Povetkin deserves to be in that Vicinity(60-70). He's def had a solid career if he fights and defeats Wilder the discussion could be fun.
     
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  8. The Long Count

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    At the time they fought, How many top ten Ring rated wins does Povetkin have?
    Byrd
    Chagaev
    Chambers
    Takam
    Perez

    I could be wrong on the above if someone knows for certain please post.

    Add to that a great Cruiser in Huck. It's a nice career.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    I rate Povetkin, but i'd be careful about creditting him too heavily for Chagaev (very "post"). Huck was controversial but I think he won it pretty comfortably personally.
     
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    Would you place him above Maxim?
     
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  11. SuzieQ49

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  12. janitor

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    That might be a hard sell!
     
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  13. McGrain

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    It is.

    The problem is that Maxim beat prime Jersey Joe. Walcott got his revenge, and he may have been suffering an injury for the loss to Maxim, but still - Walcott's top twenty material. It's so much better than Povetkin's best win...how to balance it against Povetkin's better consistency/size etc.
     
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  14. Good Cop

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    First, we need to ask ourselves what being a top 40 heavyweight really means, by the numbers.

    Let's begin gloved championship lineage at 1882, with Sullivan. That gives us 13.3 decades of material.

    Run the numbers- give or take, there's only 3 spots for any consecutive 10 year period to claim a top 40 ranking. Maybe what someone interprets as a particularly strong decade chunk can pick off a member from a fringe one, but them's the numbers. Run the time period out to 15 years, and a fighter has to be one of the best 4 or 5 of the past 15 to make the cut.

    Frame it with that lens. It eliminates some of the one-hit wonders, rewards lengthier rap sheets, and produces a more natural, representative distribution by reducing generational bias. If a fighter could be no better than 7th in his own 10 year era, it's practically impossible he'd ever be top 40 material for the entire history of the division.

    Given that Mr. Povetkin has likely the third best overall heavyweight rap sheet of the last 15 years, he strongly merits consideration for a top 40 spot.
     
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  15. janitor

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    The further back you go, the more relevance of wins gets blurred.

    For example, should you rate him over:

    Peter Maher
    Tom Sharkey
    Gus Ruhlin
    Gunboat Smith
    Fred Fulton
    Billy Miske
    Harry Greb
    Tommy Gibbons
    George Godfrey
    Earnie Schaff
    Tommy Farr
    Bob Pastor
    Lou Nova
    Clarence Henry
    Rex Layne
    Nino Valdez
    Mike Weaver
    Ray Mercer
     
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