Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua - Who wins?

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Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua - Who wins?

  1. Alexander Povetkin

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  2. Anthony Joshua

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Johan Duhapas was never knocked out clean by anybody before he fought Povetkin. Not even by Wilder and Povetkin knocked him out cold / unconscious.

    Mariusz Wach is irrelevant because Anthony Joshua never knocked him out (IN AN ACTUAL BOXING BOUT) like how Povetkin knocked Takam out clean before Joshua faced Takam and he was barely able to put a dent on Takam.

    Takam's ideal fight weight you mentioned is your speculation. He weighs whatever he feels comfortable.

    Povetkin also took the fight against Duhapas with short notice without even preparing for a taller opponent the height of Duahpas when he was preparing for the much shorter Bermane Stierne instead. So that argument works both ways! If Povetkin struggles as much against taller opponents, then he wouldn't have been able to adjust as quickly against Duhapas on such short notice and knock him out cold.

    The evidence of Povetkin beating Joshua is based on Joshua's fragile chin and Povetkin's KO power and style which are the kryptonite for Joshua. Along with Joshua's suspect stamina which Povetkin can expose.

    Joshua can't effect Povetkin any more than he effected Takam with his punches and Povetkin hits harder than the likes of Mihai Nistor to stand good enough of a chance to knock out Joshua and unlike Wladimir Klitschko, Povetkin isn't going to let the robot Joshua off the hook when he has Joshua hurt.
     
  2. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joshua's punching power was exposed horribly against Takam. Embarassing, shameful, pathetic and disgraceful that a 6 foot 2, pudgy 230 - pounds small chubby and pudgy heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin managed to inflict more damage on Takam with his smaller size by knocking Takam out cold whilst the much bigger, taller, heavier and muscular Anthony Joshua couldn't even come close to knocking Takam out cold when Takam was older, washed up and was already knocked out by the smaller Povetkin.

    The big sized Joshua is good for very little with his big size.

    Povetkin with his small size at using his boxing abilities > Joshua with his big size at using his boxing abilities
     
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  3. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I guess you missed the part of Duhaupas ONE DAYS notice already training for a fight and Povetkins PED bust?

    I'll let you have your little fantasy as proof with Duhaupas as well as using Takam vs a better in shape Takam that Joshua only had 2 weeks to train for that he did more damage too anyway with minimal amount of punches along with an aging Povetkin 3 years out of a significant win, which MAKES Wach very relevant to Povetkin.

    You also seem infatuated with knock outs ? Last time I checked it was Joshuas counter punching style getting the job done? Povetkin last fight was Hammer if we went solely on that this fight looks like a joke. This is the standard we are using correct? Lol

    Look forward to you after Povetkin gets mugged, however posters like you who strive to ridiculous levels to win an unwinnable debate either change your name, create a new alt or just run away.....:elefant:


    See ya then .....or not!
     
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  4. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Why are you using povetkin's oppnent change regarding Duhaupus as a reason for Povetkin performing poorly, yet completely disregarding the same thing happening to joshua with takam.

    You actually make a valid point about how difficult it is to adjust to a taller/shorter opponent when having a whole training camp built on punching at specific heights, generating power at those heights, defence from punches thrown at you from certain heights and angles etc etc etc.....

    But you ruin your own point by not acknowledging that this is exactly what happened to Joshua also.


    It's clear you cannot remain objective, and therefore, your argument is flawed.
     
  5. HerolGee

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    perhaps not.

    why did u ask why what? i was quite clear.
     
  6. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It looks like you've misunderstood the point I was making. I'm not using Povetkin's change in opponent as a reason for why he performed 'poorly'. Rather, it's actually the contrary. When a change in opponent happens in such short notice, a boxer is MEANT to struggle to adapt and adjust because of lack of time. However, povetkin didn't struggle against Duhapas despite him random replacement opponent. Whilst when that happened to Joshua when Takam became his random replacement opponent, Joshua struggled much more against Takam than Povetkin did against Duhapas.

    My point is that if that poster who commented and claimed that Povetkin struggles against taller and bigger sized opponents and if that was true, then he would've struggled against Duhapas far more when Duhapas became a random replacement opponent from the type of opponent in terms of style and height that Povetkin was initially preparing for (Bermane Stiverne). Instead, Povetkin rarely struggled and beat Duhapas more convincingly and impressively than anyone else previously beat him by knocking him out unconscious, when even Wilder failed to drop Duhapas. Thus, it proves that bigger sized and taller opponents aren't necessarily a struggle for Povetkin.

    Meanwhile, when Takam was randomly announced as an opponent for Joshua, Joshua was the one who struggled more to adapt and adjust to a different style of opponent and height of opponent compared to Povetkin.

    So if anything, it's the total opposite. It's Joshua who struggles against shorter opponents like Takam and Povetkin.
     
  7. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As already stated, Povetkin also had a very short notice against Joahn Duhapas where had to change opponents and styles in a very short notice from planning on boxing against an opponent with a specific style and height to a different one and he was able to sill adjust and adapt immediately with success. And please spare me the 'PED' nonsense because 100% clean and natural athletes don't exist in the 21st century, not just in boxing but in every competitive sport and especially among the top athletes. So I could care less that Povetkin is taking some marginally beneficial PED when other boxers are also doing the same and probably even more beneficial and effective PED.

    Carlos Takam was previously knocked out and his punch hresistance was worse against Joshua than against Povetkin. When one simply gets knocked out once, their punch resistance gets worse the next time and despite Joshua facing an older, washed up Takam who ws previously knocked out by Povetkin and had decreased punch resistance, Joshua using his much bigger sized body still failed to KO Takam cleanly. So much for 'Joshua is too big for Povetkin' when Joshua has shown very little to suggest that his boxing abilities using his bigger sized body makes him much, if at all more effective, dangerous or better than Povetkin. Since if it did, he would've beaten Takam more convincingly by knocking him out more brutally taking less time but that wasn't the case at all. So as it stands, Povetkin using his smaller sized body did a better job on a better and younger Takam than Joshua did using his bigger sized body on an older and faded Takam.

    Also, knocking someone out clean to the point where they can't even get back up to their feet without assistance for a few minutes is significantly more damaging than Simpy causing some minor visible marks on opponent's body. So how the hell did Joshua inflict more damage on Takam with fewer punches when he threw everything but the kitchen sink but couldn't even drop and keep Takam down in 10 rounds whilst Povetkin dropped Takam and prevented him from being able to get back up without assistance for a few minutes?

    If you want to argue about 'fewer punches', then Povetkin with a single left hook dropped Takam and kept him down. Whilst Joshua threw everything on Takam but not only did Takam not even come close to getting knocked out cleanly from those punches, but was at times walking right through Joshua's pathetically weak and overrated punches.

    Did Anthony Joshua ever fight Christian Hammer or Mariusz Wach professionally? No. Ergo, they are irrelevant to the discussion.

    Did Carlos Takam fight both Povetkin and Joshua professionally? Yes. Ergo, he is relevant to this discussion.

    Please avoid mentioning irrelevant points. One of the only common opponents which both Joshua and Povetkin faced was Takam and Povetkin did a much better job on a better version of Takam than Joshua did on a declining Takam. Those other boxers aren't common opponents of both.

    As for 'mugging'. Anthony Joshua isn't 'mugging' anybody on the level of Povetkin. Unless you mean winning by premature 'typical British stoppages' or by gift robbery or by having the referee and officials protecting him from his horrible chin and stamina. Joshua failed to even drop Wladimir Klitschko down for the 10 count and needed a premature stoppage to beat Wladimir Klitschko in a fight he was losing in and was getting out-boxed in. Despite Wladimir Klitschko being 41 years of age and coming from a 2 year lay off. Joshua likewise failed against an old Takam. So weak punching Joshua isn't inflicting any greater damage on the iron chinned Povetkin until Povetkin reaches his 40's and even then, it's still remains a question of whether his daddy and promoter Eddie Hearn is willing to take the risk on putting in the ring against someone as dangerous and competent as Alexander Povetkin. Otherwise, his science experiment Joshua may be ruined for good.
     
  8. Luis Fernando

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    No, you weren't 'quite clear'. You simply wrote 'why' in response to one of my comments and didn't elaborate on what exactly you were referring to with the word 'why'. It's an INCOMPLETE QUESTION!
     
  9. dinovelvet

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    Hey dummy , Tackam came off the back of a full training camp and was already preparing for Joshua cos he knew he was on stand-by if Pulev bottled it.

    Duhapas came off the couch on a days notice. He was so under-prepared he didn't even have time to get his boxing boots. He fought the fight in his trainers. It still took Pov an embarrassing 6 rounds to stop a guy who stepped in on 24 hours notice.

    Tackam took 5-6 rounds off Povetkin standing right in front of him. He fled from Joshua all night giving up every round and if he had fought AJ like he did Povetkin he would have gotten blasted out during the first half of the fight.

    Also worth noting that WK couldn't win a round against Povetkin clinch free like Tackam did. Tatums boxing for the first half against Povetkin utterly shames WKs foul fested debacle and proves just how overrated Wlad has always been. Without the bear grab every 10 seconds WK gets the Tackam treatment off Povetkin.
     
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  10. HerolGee

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    really ? u said i am dumb for not answering some question.

    why? explain why, that is, if you understand that.
     
  11. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    I fully believe that was absolutely the case, but out of interest did anyone other than Hearn actually confirm Takam was properly preparing? Carlos looked in good shape and was still fighting at the end, so no reason not to believe. Just intrigued
     
  12. anjawnaymiz

    anjawnaymiz Unexpected item in bagging area Full Member

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    don't forget AJ had his nose broken from a headbutt in the 2nd round, all this 'he wasn't able to get takam out of there like povetkin did' is rubbish!

    it's very difficult to perform to your fullest with a broken nose
     
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  13. Absolutely!

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    Povetkin's looked a bit underwhelming in recent fights, so it's possible he's on the decline. Regardless, he always finds it hard to get his shots going against significantly taller opponents, and tends to take a lot of shots to do so. Against Joshua he'd be walking into some really heavy artillery, and that's no winning formula whoever you are.

    Still, Povetkin's one of the most tested fighters in the division (no pun intended) and would be no easy task for Joshua, especially if Joshua appears to struggle with Parker.
     
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  14. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Wlad was coming off a year and 5 months also was in 3 training camps with the Fury rematch and then was originally training to fight Joshua in Nov. 2016 .Punch resistance goes down yet for example M.Tyson was K.O'd by Douglas yet ate all of Ruddocks and Brunos punches...two guys who hit significantly harder than Buster........stick to facts doe? :drink:

    I don't have to compare Hammer or Wach to Joshua, him not fighting them is irrelevant. You on the other hand would need LOGICAL explaination how it favors Povetkin against Joshua BC those ARE Povetkins best recent wins. Lol.

    Joshua only averaged 9 power shots landed per round against Takam, how many did Povetkin land on him? Who still took more damage , the 2014 Takam or the 2017 one? Lol

    You are the one insinuating ridiculous comparisons to a guy who won every round against Takam on short notice as evidence that will effect a Povetkin outcome ? Who is a short past prime, and BEST win over heavier Takam during a PED cycle..THREE years ago .#Facts

    Maybe you just don't understand that Takam is a better fighter than Duhaupas even without the advantage Povetkin had of him not remotely knowing he would be fighting that day ? Lol

    Takam fight weight has been around or at 240, its not up for speculation and anyone with an ounce of common sense knows a 6'1 /6'2 guy isn't going to perform better at around 250 if he's a counter puncher BC it will slow him down. That's WHY he came in at 235 for Joshua his BIGGEST test.


    Klitchko at 41 would batter anyone Povetkin fought anyway and Povetkin himself...of course unless you think Takam and Hammer prove otherwise? :icon_popcorn:


    Klitchko was winning before the stoppage ? Well let's say he was , he still has to win the 10th, 11th and 12th rounds BC he was knocked down twice in the 10th in a close fight to assume Klitchko is going to make it too the 12th is pure speculation in itself just like Takam.


    Joshua being outboxed? You can't give him more than one round more by the 10th round as you can't give Joshua .


    Klitchko must also have severely weak punches since according to you Joshua's chin is so weak? That's what we would have to think by your idiocy logic BC he failed to K.O Joshua.

    Joshua stamina is being protected too right ? Tell me how a guy goes 11 rounds after a Klitchko knock down and weighing the most he had when never going past 7 rounds and finishing Takam in the 10th throwing his second highest punch count weighing 254 pounds ? #Fake News



    Your obviously emotionally invested in this..I was going to leave you alone but it seems like you yourself like getting mugged on here? :headbash



    The statement that you labeled Povetkin was a short PUDGEY guy against Takam makes you an idiot sandwich , just put two pieces of bread over your ears....:taptap:

    And you know you hit the bottom of the barrel when both Herol and dino are doing a number on you themselves....:risas3:


    Please refrain from further posting to me....it only gets worse and clearly you don't actually want to talk facts or keep irrelevant points out of it !
     
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  15. JediPimp007

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    By this noobs logic, Nistor must be more powerful than Wlad, who regardless of his killer instinct or whatever other excuse people use, hit Joshua flush plenty of times. I really cant see in what world a small ageing heavyweight like Povetkin could do to a huge and improving Joshua. I really do hate all this fighter 'x' did this to fighter 'y', therefore does this to fighter 'z'. If we go down that route, then we can start saying Povetkin is feather fisted as he couldn't even put a dent in an overinflated Marco Huck, who was KO'd by Cunningham and Usyk (neither of whom are big punchers), so how does he KO Joshua when Wlad couldn't? There's a never ending compendium of justification as to why a fighter can and can't beat another fighter.

    Other issue for Pov if he fights AJ is an organization called VADA. He'd not be getting this fight in Russia, so he'd have to fight clean.
     
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