Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua - Who wins?

The xyz thing does work but you have to know what your talking about...in this instance on his stance trying to belittle Joshua to prove Povetkin wins simply doesn't work.

He THOUGHT he could use points that by default in avoiding reasonable points would win the topic.....



You know this Fernando is a troll ( he's actually to smart to be ignorant) when he claims winning every round is a failure, brings up Hearns daddy and wants to state everyone's on PEDS BC his favorite fighter was busted .

 

Povetkin doesn`t last 4 rounds with AJ.

 

AJ tears off chubby boy's head midrounds. And gleefully feeds on Pov's PED soaked bloodspurts.

 

So this 'Your punch resistance is weaker when you've been knocked out' argument you're developing regarding Joshua vs Takam.....

Why couldn't Povetkin KO Hammer, who was knocked out 7 years before?


Your lack of objectivity is losing you this argument.....

 

The actual punching power between Povetkin vs Joshua against Takam.

Povetkin landed 42 power punches in 4 rounds .

Joshua landed 27 power punches in 4 rounds yet scored a knockdown and had Takam looking like he was jumped already..with 15 LESS power punches . He didn't even land any power punches in round one , so he actually did more damage in 3 rounds than Povetkin did in 10.

Povetkin total power punch count landed roughly was about 150.

Joshua's total power punch count landed was 91.

Joshua landed about 60 power punches less than Povetkin yet had both Takam eyes cut and was rocking Takam all over. He won with far less power punches landed.

The 27 power punches in rounds 2 , 3 , 4 from Joshua did more physical damage than Povetkins entire 150 power punches the entire fight......just think about that, when telling me Povetkin is going to win this fight.

Its nonsensical to even suggest Povetkin hits harder.

 

Yeah it's pretty clear Povetkin has a more aggressive style and throws more and lands more, but he pays a price to do so, he lost rounds unlike AJ and he took some big shots from Takam.

Joshua displayed enough single shot power to drop Takam, something Povetkin couldn't do, he needed to hit Takam a whole lot more to grind him down.

 

I adjusted some numbers too that post just now that needed correction...........I counted the punches myself and compared them to some of the official round by round stats ( the punch counts were closer to being correct than I thought they would be but some rounds were clearly given to Povetkin ) ....let's just say the fight was closer than the scorecards suggest before the 10th round.

 

I'm sure if they actually watched the fight and saw the 5th round uppercut landed on him with his eyes rolling back no one sane would have picked Povetkin to win.

Povetkin was also rocked and buckled briefly from a counter right in the 7th , imagine Joshua landing these direct shots?

I'm actually shocked Joshua is winning this poll considering the backwards logic process around here sometimes of how fighters are compared to what's labeled a hype job vs a " proven " fighter ???....lol

 

Carlos Takam, a boxer who is inferior to Alexander Povetkin in nearly every department, especially in punch resistance managed to survive MUCH longer than 4 rounds without even coming close to getting knocked out cleanly after 9 rounds of boxing against Anthony Joshua.

If the inferior Takam can survive much longer than 4 rounds against AJ, Povetkin has an even higher chance of not only surviving as long as Takam did, but for the entire 12 rounds.

 

Wladimir Klitschko was 41 years of age with over a year of lay off. He was at an age when most other heavyweights were either retired or losing to bums / journeymen / inferior boxers compared to Joshua. Yet, Joshua was going life and death against Wladimir Klitschko of that age, whilst losing multiple rounds, being behind on the scorecard, getting dropped and needing a 'typical British' premature stoppage to win so that he is protected and prevented from losing via gassing before the end of the bout.

Yes, getting knocked out once decreases one's punch resistance'. This is a fact! And when someone like Joshua who is overrated to be this big power puncher and knockout artist who is too big for boxers like Povetkin is unable to cleanly KO someone who was already cleanly knocked out by a smaller sized boxer. His punching power / knockout power becomes suspect.

Mike Tyson always had a questionable chin / punch resistance. Anybody who lands their best / most powerful punches on Mike Tyson and fail to KO him also have suspect punching / knockout power. It's as simple as that! Donnovan Ruddock's punching power was overrated as a result. Whilst Frank Bruno was knocked out before he was able to land his best punches which is a different thing.

Hammer and Wach are irrelevant until both Joshua and Povetkin have faced them. Carlos Takam is relevant because both Joshua and Povetkin have faced them.

Alexander Povetkin knocked Carlos Takam out cleanly and kept him down to the point where he couldn't get back up for over a minute = more damaging than merely causing some visible marks on Takam's face (which is what Joshua did).

Also, it wouldn't be any surprise if Takam did take more damage at 2017 against Joshua (he didn't by the way) since he was further past his best, older and was weaker compared to the tougher and in-prime Takam that Povetkin fought who was much harder to damage and KO. So I don't understand how that is something to be so impressed by.

Alexander Povetkin beats Joshua for other reasons besides just being able to defeat Takam more convincingly. Such as, having the far superior punch resistance / chin (never been stopped in over 300 bouts and only dropped once by Wladimir Klitschko LEGITIMATELY) and has punching power which is just as high as Joshua's, if not greater.

On the other hand, Joshua has been stopped and dropped multiple times more than Povetkin has been = FACT! That is despite having fewer bouts.

Doesn't matter what Takam's weight was. First I keep reading and hearing that Povetkin is too small and can't defeat bigger sized opponents like Anthony Joshua and now he defeats a much heavier Takam and now all of a sudden, Takam was too big, as if it's all of a sudden unimpressive now to defeat a bigger sized opponent. Make your mind up! Takam weighed just as much against other opponents and was able to win. Against Povetkin, his weight wouldn't have made any difference!

Alexander Povetkin from 2014 -2015 would destroy any opponent Anthony Joshua has faced up to date, including the washed up, 41 year old Wladimir Klitschko that came off a 2 year layoff. And he wouldn't need 'British stoppages' to win and to have his lack of stamina protected.

Anthony Joshua landed everything but the kitchen sink on Wladimir Klitshcko but still failed to keep him down. Proving how overrated his punching power is. It's more likely Joshua's stamina would've been depleted by the 12th round rather than Wladimir Klitschko getting knocked out in the 11th round. It was a premature 'British stoppage' like the Takam stoppage which was used to protect Joshua from losing from gassing out and to maintain his misleading 100% KO ratio.

Wladimir Klitschko was mentally shot. His timing and accuracy was shot. His speed was shot. His mental sharpness was shot. Simple as that! Nothing to do with having 'weak punches' but being a washed up 41 year old man who wasn't able to land sufficient amount of power punches but was still good enough to drop Anthony Joshua once with only a single punch (proving his power was still there but not his other abilities). That doesn't change the fact that Joshua's chin is indeed weak and certainly much weaker than Povetkin's. Wladimir Klitschko's inability to finish off and KO Joshua was down to him being 41 years of age and shot, rather than being a weak puncher.

Anthony Joshua was getting close to exhausted against both Takam in the 10th round after throwing everything but the kitchen sink on Takam but still not even coming close to cleanly knocking ot Takam and against Wladimir Klitschko when he also threw everything but the kitchen sink on Wladimir Klitschko in the 11th round but still couldn't even come close to keeping Wladimir Klitschko down and had to be gifted a premature stoppage to prevent a loss in the 12th from gassing out.

You are easy work! The fact that you need backup from other users and emotional support from them whilst praising them proves that if anybody is getting 'mugged', then it is you.

 

Winning every round isn't a 'failure'. Being called this 'big, power punching knockout artist who small skilled heavyweights like Alexander Povetkin would stand no chance of beating and being unable to KO an even inferior similar sized boxer in Takam after he was already knocked out brutally by this small Alexander Povetkin is a HUGE FAILURE to fulfill expectations and standards.

I wouldn't have a problem with Joshua failing to KO Takam or whatever. My problem lies with the fact that those same individuals don't give Povetkin any chance of winning against Joshua because of Joshua's supposed size advantage. Well, don't blame me if I start criticizing Joshua for not making use of his supposed size advantages by performing worse against a boxer that Povetkin using his smaller size did better against.

If Joshua's size advantage means Povetkin has no chance at beating him. Then why couldn't Joshua using his bigger size KO Takam more brutally and quicker than Povetkin was able to using his much smaller size?

If this was a mismatch in favor of Joshua because of his size and Povetkin would get stopped quickly. Then why couldn't Joshua stop and beat inferior opponents compared to Povetkin just as dominantly. Someone mentioned Povetkin gets stopped in 4 rounds when an inferior Dillian Whyte went 7 rounds and Takam was heading for the full 12 round distance. Both whom are inferior to Povetkin.

Just so you know, I actually think Joshua would be the favorite to win if this bout happened next year or late this year. Just that when this thread was made, I would've favored Povetkin from that point of time until early 2018 against Joshua. Age does matter and I won't make Povetkin in his 40's the favorite to beat Joshua, especially when taking into consideration his high intensity style too. Which can't be sustained at an old age. But the idea that Povetkin has no chance of winning or the idea that this is a mismatch in favor of Joshua is utterly ridiculous and irrational.

Even when Povetkin's past the period of when he'd be the favorite to beat Joshua, he would still give Joshua his toughest / second toughest fight of his career before losing. So no shame in that! Considering Povetkin should apparently stand no chance at beating Joshua according to some here.

As for performance enhancing drugs. This 21st century planet Earth is not 100% clean and natural and it's mostly unnatural. Therefore, there exists no such thing as a 100% clean / natural athlete, never mind just a boxer.

To this day, not a single A side boxer with more muscles and more unnatural looking body has been busted for PED whilst every boxer that has been busted has been the B side boxer with less muscles and more fat. So unless you're going to tell me that all the A side boxers who have more muscular and unnatural / artificial looking physiques are all more natural and clean than every fat and less muscular boxer. Then we all know drug testing results have very little accuracy in terms of how clean or natural a boxer is.

Practically every athlete, especially at the top level is on some kind of performance enhancing drugs in the 21st century. Difference is, some are more artificially and chemically enhanced and therefore more unnatural. Whilst others are less artificially and chemically enhanced and therefore more natural.

 

Both Anthony Joshua and Carlos Takam faced the same problems as each other. Both had short notice to prepare for the fight against each other. So this argument works and goes both ways!

Alexander Povetkin wasn't prepared to face Johan Duhapas either. Duhapas was never knocked out before so knocking someone out at any round that has never been knocked out before is always impressive and never an 'embarrassment'.

Takam moved just as much against Povetkin and he was in his prime against Povetkin unlike against Joshua. So losing a few rounds to a 'prime' Takam isn't as bad as failing to CLEANLY KO someone who was knocked out brutally before whilst also possessing a HUGE size advantage.

And if Povetkin from 2014 fought the Takam that fought Joshua, he would've been knocked out inside 6 rounds.

Wladimir Klitschko was practically past his best against Povetkin. Yes, Wlad's win against Povetkin isn't that 'great' realistically even if it is on paper but which other heavyweight stayed on top for as long as Wladimir Klitschko did having cleaned up the heavyweight division against REAL heavyweights by modern standard? None!

 

Do you have any concept at all about how styles make fights??

Takam had a clear gameplan which was to prance away from Joshua and hope he tires out down the stretch. Povetkin only knowns one approach and that is to march forward.
If Takam marched forward from round one , which Pov would do , the fight is over 3-4 rounds tops.

Also , AJ was extremely heavy having trained for a tall non-mover. He wasn't equipped or prepared to take on a smaller boxer who utilizes a lot of movement.

Pov isn't going any 12 with Joshua simply because he knows no other way of boxing besides walking straight forward.
This is the basics we're talking about here, its not complicated.

 

There was nothing to prepare for.. Duhapas was so out of shape and under prepared he could barely throw a punch properly.
A guy like Povetkin doesn't need preparation to beat a guy coming off the couch. He had a full training camp and was ready to go.

Unlike Duhapas, Tackam had a clear gameplan against Joshua and was obviously well prepared knowing he was on stand-by.

Comparing these two fights makes you look stupid and biased. Even @GALVATRON is right here and he's wrong 99% of the time.

 

You can keep regurgitating fake and false info on here and TRY and fit puzzle pieces where you want all you like , but when even the dumbest poster on here dino knows your wrong ....well that says it all.

You can't even grasp the concept that Povetkin was training for a fight for months while Duhaupas was just hanging around that day of the fight? Lol

Yet want to compare Takam to that and call it the same, he signed a contract with Hearn as a replacement the day the Pulev fight was made and had been training for AJ the entire time. But I guess wherever you come from its the same circumstances? Lol

That's the kind of IQ that separates us.

Go read my Povetkin vs Joshua power punch comparisons post since you like stats as well, I'm sure you'll enjoy it..lol..