Alexander Povetkin vs. Christian Hammer RBR

Wilder vs Povetkin would have been so much fun

 

"Huck? Is this a joke? Or are you using his achievements at cruiser to justify the fact that Povetkin struggled badly with him? Look. If you want to say you believe all those guys are better than Stiverne (minus Huck), I don't have a major issue with that. I think Stiverne is at least better than a few of those guys, if not more accomplished."

I consider the elite CW's of the past 10 years to be as good or better than a lot of top 15 HW's. Huck I consider to be a better fighter than Stiverne overall. His losing effort against Povetkin to me is more impressive than anything Stiverne has shown throughout his career.

". But this isn't his fault, is it? When champions retire, two guys usually fight for the vacant strap. Stiverne was the one who got the crack, and at the time, most people felt Arreola would beat him as I recall. "

No. But the point was to illustrate that when you take away belts and just analyze the wins themselves that Povetkin has accomplished more overall and roughly as much since those guys(Parker-Wilder won their belts). On that matter I think the WBC handled the vacuum Vitali left pretty poorly - the contenders tournament they had sucked and the eliminator between Wilder/Scott to determine the 1st mandatory was also pretty farcical. How could Scott who was coming off a stoppage loss to Chisora be fit for such an opportunity? Viewed in a vacuum I don't see how you can possibly argue that beating Arreola X2 to win a vacant title, or Stiverne is better than Chagaev even if for a lesser regarded belt - Some of the prestige for the WBC title evaporated and has yet to return as far as I'm concerned when Vitali retired and dropped the belt. Belts are only as good as the guys who fight for them.... It's a slippery slope rating ABC's just for the sake of it and not the reigns themselves.

We'll have to agree to disagree - but your arguments for the most part are hard to completely argue against. Part of how I rate Povetkin(as IB put it) is based on the hypothetical that he was extremely unlucky to come along during the Klitschko era, and then the fact that he's remained consistent since.

I'll leave it at that.. You can get the last word.

 

Yes I've seen a few of your posts and you have been consistent you're not high on Povetkin at all. To be honest took me long time to warm up to him. I remember following him when he started out and he took some quality matches early in his career then Atlas got a hold of him and he seemed to regress In both skill and quality of opponent. He was really headed towards a wasted career. Then he got rid of Teddy and to me seemed to begin to fulfill his potential again.
He does two things Imo really well, he throws good combinations for a heavyweight which is a rarity for the division for many years now, and he is a very accurate puncher. That's in terms of skills what i also like but has been lacking lately is he has a strong will to win and killer insticnt. I was impressed how he hung in there with Wlad when he had no gameplan and was hurt early and hurt badly several times.
Now looking back on his career he really has some quality wins and he's been really consistent.
He's been a top 10 hw for long time. Talent wise he's no Golota or even a Tommy Morrison. But he comes to win and he comes to grind you down. Consider me a converted fan of his. And i firmly believe with his timing he would of Ko'd Wilder easy had they fought. At this point I'm not sure anymore.

 

i missed it. I hope you can forgive me.
(P.S. I had THE worst shift i have had in the last 6 months. Working at a bar has its serious bad days. I bet i had a worse showing than Povetkin)

 

Stiverne is a joke and would not be even top 10 best opponent Povetkin has met.
Stiverne just suc**.
Povetkin 13 fight was against Larry Donald.
Povetkin 14 fight, was against 2 time champion Byrd, who only loses was to Wlad Klitschko and Ibeabuchi.
Povetkin 15 fight, was against prime Chambers(better then anyone at Wilder resume by huge margin) and he was 30-0, when met Povetkin.
Then you have names like Chagaev, Cedric Boswell, Huck, Rahman, undefeated Wawrzyk, Klitschko, Charr, Takam, Perez, Wach, destroyed Duhaupas, unlike Wilder, who struggle at times with him, Rudenko and now Hammer.
Most of Povetkin wins was over a prime guys with zero or just 1 lose, unlike Wilder Buffet Bums ....
Povetkin resume is 10 time better then Wilder.
And even now past prime Povetkin will Ko Wilder if they met in 1 year period. But Wilder will run as always ...

 

And that sort of thinking empowers the pathetic sport-hindering actions of the 4 trinket title belts.

Why would you not value your own opinion, Rum? Puzzling to say the least.

 

It will be interesting to see how Wilder plays out over time. If he were to lose his zero and WBC belt - especially if he's beaten convincingly, will he be back challenging again, regaining his WBC belt or taking hold of another one? With Hrgović, Usyk, Dycho, etc coming up soon, probably not. But then again, we won't know until it happens.

I've followed Povetkin since before he went pro, so I admit I'm kind of a fan. But I think had he had the same route to a belt that Wilder had, he would have won himself a WBC belt as well, and if he fought the same opposition he'd probably be undefeated too. And I really can't see Wilder beating the Wlad that beat Povetkin.

This is all why, as a boxing fan most interested in the HW/Cruiser divisions I just want to see Wilder fight Joshua/Ortiz/Parker, or even Povetkin in 2018/19. No predictions, I'm just fascinated to see the fights and how he does.

Personally, I think if Wilder is knocked out in his first fight against top tier opposition, and never does much of note afterwards, Povetkin would go down in my book as being more accomplished due to the quality of names on his CV.

 

Wilder would have left smoking rubber on the tarmac if he'd had to face Wlad. I give him a small chance of seeing the end bell and virtually no chance of winning.

 

Not sure I share a some posters opinion on Povetkin. His punch power is way overated too, always has been imo. Had far to much trouble with a strong Cruiserweight to ever be a top boy at Heavy imo, and its showed, he never seems to fight top guys consistently.

 

Even an old Vlad would beat Wilder, probably knock him out, he sure beat the crap out of him in camp! Knocked him down with a left jab, flattened him with a left hook, beat him from one side of the ring to the other, and yes, there is a witness....................Vitali could come back at age 46 and knock Wilder out, he is WBC Emeritus Champion............he could force Wilder to fight him and yes, he would have to force Wilder to fight him.................When will Wilder fight a legit fighter?

 

haha true but wilder would take this fight comfortably knowing vitali would somehow be popped on the drug test (like how he tested positive all those years back).