Alexander Povetkin vs David Haye who wins?

I see why you don't like him and that's up to you, as he has a polarizing personality but are you still sceptical of his abilites? I mean, you can probably accuse him of having little heart but slacking off his skills? I dunno man. He is fast, he is fairly accurate, he hits hard, his defence has become quite solid in the last years and he's probably P4P one of the most explosive mother****ers out there. He can put you to sleep by virtually touching you when you weren't looking.
If you take the Klits out of the equation, can you genuinely come up with a HW better than Haye? I liked Povetkin's approach against Wlad a week ago but would I consider it a "good" performance? Not sure about that. Wlad's clinching and holding left a lot of space for interpretation as to what Povetkin is capable of so we won't know for sure but I sure remember Haye not allowing Wlad to impose his height on weight on him.

Povetkin's fight did look like more of an effort than Haye's because this dude clearly has more heart but, in my humble opinion, not the skill of Haye. Neither does Povetkin hit as hard, fight as smart, defend as good or be as quick and so forth. He's likely a better inside fighter but Haye managed to physically push Chisora around who I consider to be hard as sh!t to be pushed around. Vitali couldn't. What I'm saying is, is that Haye is not per say "good" at inside fighting but he's not entirely lost unlike Wlad and his reflexes and speed allow him to impose his style on his opponent, which is something that Wlad on the other hand does regularly.

 

:good anyone picking Povetkin DKS or just got an agenda

 

This is real life and not a video game. Physical attributes are only part of the game. The faster slicker fighter does not always win.

If Haye in the 6 pathetic fights over 6 years was offing guys like Stiverne,Arreola,Pulev,Thompson, Povetkin etc then you might have a case. Until then he has NOT proven to be head and shoulders above anyone.

 

I feel you. Haye is insanely inactive by design so you won't have too many samples to choose from. However, his recent performances since Valuev haven't led me (or anyone I think) to believe that he lacks skill though, let's not be stupid. Haye's pretty damn good at boxing and shouldn't be treated like your average fat **** who shows up 30 lbs overweight to earn a quick paycheck against a click. He might have fundamental flaws but they reside inside his head. His reluctancy to throw when he regards his opponent as too dangerous to leave an opening, his general inactivity inside (and actually also outside) the ring, his lack of heart, his lack of readiness to assume risk. When he's out of his comfort zone, he seems to crumble and adapt poorly.

 

you base everything off presumption...of what he is could do, or might do...
fact is he has had 6 fights in 6 years at heavyweight. 2 he looked like absolute garbage in. 3 were against corpses. his best win is Chisora...whos best win is against.....danny williams?
polarizing personality?? it was polarizing his first year as a heavyweight...before he became common knowledge he was full of crap. pulls out of more fights than anyone of note recently, one of the most inactive guys that lace up gloves, but yes...he still has a few followers in the UK, but most have already seen him for what he is. :deal

 

He looked good against Valuev, Chisora and Ruiz. Decent enough names for how shitty the division is. I don't recall him looking explicitly garbage at any point in his HW career actually. He had his ups and downs, namely being passive against Wlad for 11 rounds and looking a little goofy against Barrett but who doesn't have bad days?

That said, I'd really like to hear from you how exactly you expect him to fight. Consider what kind of fighter he is, what his weaknesses and strengths are, why he fights the way he does.

Valuev didn't land a single power punch all night and yet Haye refused to close the show of that shitfest. Why is that? In all likelihood, because he doesn't take more chances than necessary. He knew he'd win the fight the way he did so he was fine with that. How does that correlate with his announcements pre fight regarding excitement, knockouts and severed heads? It doesn't.

Haye's ring IQ is well above average and his decision making is too in most cases. It might not always end up exciting for the spectators but unless he's sure, he got this, he seems to refuse to engage. Not sure if it's a weakness or a strength but it sure leaves the impression that he's a thinking fighter who meticulously ponders over the assets and drawbacks of every single move he makes in the ring.

Naturally, a lot of what is said about Haye is assumption simply because he fights once in 18 months on average lately. There's just so little to go by but this thread explicitely asks for my opinion on that so why not?

 

He broke his right hand on Valuev's dome and had him doing the chicken dance in the 12th. But yeah I suppose he could throw more, but that's just not his style, he doesn't have to throw a million punches, just one that knocks you the **** out.

Concerning Ice with his discussion about who he has beaten at heavyweight, no one in the goddamn division really has impressive records vs heavyweights as most heavyweights these days are bums. That's why he was chasing the Klitschko fights so long as he believes those are the only fighters who are any good and he would only get recognition if he beat one or both of the Ks.

So most definitely analyzing a fighter its not only about records, saying that, he was undisputed cruiser weight champion and the only other man except Holyfield to do so, and that definitely counts for something.

 

he wasnt the undisputed cruiserweight champ by the way. he fought 2 title fights ever at cruiserweight. Mormek and Enzo. Steve Cunningham was the IBF champ....he chose to fight a 37 year old washed up money barrett at heavyweight instead

 

anyone can look good against Ruiz at that point, hell they dug him up out of retirement , inactive for almost 2 years and had a total of 3 wins in 7 years! and he gave him his 9th loss. but "Haye looked good against him" :rofl
He fought like a biatch against Valuev...breaking records with his inactivity of 12 rounds in a heavyweight title fight.
haye is full of crap, fights like it most of the time because he is average at best...nothing to indicate he would put any kind of beating on Povetkin....you are just drinking the hype kool aid still :-(

 

Tyson Fury could beat both on the same night. I just hope Haye eventually shows up to fight Tyson

 

Povetkin has an iron chin, and a good stamina.
There is no way on earth Haye knocks him out.
Not if he required so many rounds to take out a bum like John Ruiz.

 

Technicalities... most likely he wouldve beaten the **** out of cunningham anyway my point stands

 

Point out where Im making things up.

 

My god man when are people going to realise that someone like Haye (or any comparitive heavyweight) has enough power to knock anyone in the division out.
No chin composition no matter steel/granite/titanium is going to save you if he lands a clean shot.

Edit: also "Iron Chin" Povetkin didn't look too iron chinned when he got dropped with a left hook slap by Wlad.
Time to re-evaluate that "fact" i think.

 

Different levels really. Povetkin has got this one easily. Haye only has a tiny punchers chance here and if Wlad couldn't stop Povetkin while throwing the kitchen sink at him then Haye has no chance, none.