Alexander Povetkin vs. Deontay Wilder-Wilder Is Underrated And Povetkin Is Overrated.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Both camps have strong convictions that if and when this fight ever takes place their guy will come out victorious, without a doubt in their minds. But both sides should be riddled with it if they were thinking clearly and without bias. Povetkin fans are completely sold on the notion that since his loss to Wladimir he's a killing machine revitalized, he is the unstoppable beast incarnate who will KO everything that stands in his path. And Povetkin's supporters also happen to think that he will walk through Wilder with the greatest of ease knocking The Bronze Bomber's block off with the first flush shot he lands. And they believe in this whole heartedly. Wilder's supporters (while not all of them think this, some do) believe him to be the Great American Hope or the next Mike Tyson who will destroy everything in his path for the foreseeable future, personally I think many of Wilder's fans have many doubt in him, his limitations should be abundantly obvious to any boxing fan with two eyes in their head, but of course they'll never admit it on here or to anyone of his detractors, they don't want to cede an inch of ground in the propaganda war. But in my opinion I think that Wilder is slightly underrated while the recent accomplishments of Povetkin are being vastly overrated. Making this fight in my mind far closer to 50/50 than most seem to believe.


    Sasha The Overrated Vityaz
    I've always thought Povetkin got more credit than he deserves, and I find the hype about his recent accomplishments entirely overblown, he was slightly above average before facing Wlad and he's still slightly above average but also nothing extraordinary.

    Pre-Wlad.... Povetkin in his first 13 matches, beat his fair share of bums with multiple losses on their records. Finally he stepped up to face Chris Byrd, it would have been a lot more impressive if it wasn't an old bordering on retirement shell of Byrd who right after being KO'd by Sasha got stopped quicker by Shawn George, which points towards him being completely shot, and Povetkin beat him after he barely got by Golota, and lost to Wlad twice, the second time by KO, and being KO'd years before by Ibeabuchi. The win doesn't mean much.

    Then he followed that up by taking the 0 of Fast Eddie Chambers, who's had several SD's and MD's to his credit, two of which were to Sam Peter and Dimitrenko, hardly master boxers, add to that he was thoroughly schooled by glass jawed Cruiserweight Thabiso Mchunu and of course stopped by Wlad, it's a very good win but ultimately not all that impressive. Then Povetkin followed that up with a paltry UD over a thrice stopped Firtha, who any half decent Heavy should be able to stop and he didn't. The "great" Ruslan Chagaev came next who got a gift decision over a half dead John Ruiz and his best win before that was against Valuev who he handily beat in spite of the MD, but is that really all that impressive since an ancient Holyfield beat Sugar Nikolay as well and was robbed. And of course being stopped by Wlad, yet Povetkin couldn't pull off that feat, he only managed to UD him, yet again Povetkin is left standing in Wlad's shadow.

    Then came the Huck match, he was with Atlas, he wasn't in shape...wah, wah, wah, excuses, excuses, I don't care. He got beaten by Huck a CW albeit a very large CW and looked like absolute s*** in the match, Huck was rocking him left and right and overall manhandling him from pillar to post, and of all things Povetkin managed to get the win by robbery in Germany. Huck won 7-5, it was close but in no way can I see 116-113 or 116-112 scores in that match.

    The match that will live in infamy Wlad Vs. Sasha. If only the ref had docked Wlad more points and threatened to disqualify him, coulda, woulda, shoulda. Povetkin came into the match with a p*** poor game plan.....he didn't have one. He repeatedly put his head down and charged in like a re****ed bull trying to gore a matador, his arms flailing around like a "Windmiller" he looked like a special needs child in that match. And what happened Wlad nails him, he falls into Wlad, Wlad holds, hits him with a few dirty uppercuts, rewind do the whole thing over again. He DID NOT adjust because he was incapable of adjusting, he had no strategy whatsoever and when that failed he was really lost. Povetkin would never beat Wlad no matter what, and to be honest he's lucky Wlad held so much that's the only thing that kept him from being knocked the **** out.

    The Illusory "Rebirth" Of The White Lion
    Wow he KO'd Charr, Takam, Perez and Wach......So ****ing what.

    Here's a reality check....
    Charr was a hypejob built up by all of the delusional Vitali haters, he didn't do a damn thing in that match but get his eyebrow torn off and lose every round up until the stoppage, beforehand he had no truly impressive wins and since the KO loss to Povetkin he went on to get beaten with relative ease via UD by Wilder victim Johan Duhaupas and got brutally KTFO Pacquiao style by tiny Cruiserweight Mairis Briedis. Charr sucks it is what it is.

    Oh wait what about Takam? He's a beast right? One of the best HW's in the business right? Why? He beat a menagerie of losers and past it fighters and finally he got his big match, he was brought in to be the fall guy for Mike Perez and he managed to upset the apple cart and pulled off a draw. Yes a Draw was his biggest accomplishment.:lol: But wait he beat Tony Thompson, so what... so did Malik Scott. Takam is okay but nothing special and even he was outboxing Povetkin for a stretch in their match, in fact it was basically dead even when he got dropped in the 9th and of course eventually stopped in the 10th. Impressive work from Povetkin right? But...how many real punchers had Takam been in with?

    Then he KO1 big fat bore Mike Perez ATG:lol: For some strange reason Perez has the reputation of being one of the best Heavyweights in the world, and I'm not quite sure why.... His resume consisted of a laundry list of bums until he got in the ring with Magomed Abdusalamov who also ironically had a laundry list of bums on his resume as well. So of the two unproven fighters Perez was the better bum destroyer. Magomed was a big puncher against subpar competition like many Heavyweight contenders and while the circumstances of that match were tragic it doesn't change the fact that Magomed wasn't the best boxer and his weaknesses were easy to exploit. Perez' true level was revealed in his next two matches his draw with Takam and loss to Jennings, and that was a loss in spite of the "outrage" over the docked point. Perez was mentally shot after the Magomed situation and that was most likely further amplified by back to back bad performances, he was ripe for the picking, and his chin in reality hadn't really been truly tested. Not a great win, Perez is average in every way.

    Wach....Povetkin didn't beat him better than Wlad...the TKO was bull**** hometown cooking to the highest order, they had to keep Sasha's KO streak going at any cost, so here comes the Doc for the convenient British Stoppage. Povetkin looked totally average once again in front of what ostensibly was a walking punching bag who happened to be 6'7.


    His renaissance is but a mere illusion in my eyes, he may train better and have his head in the game a little more now, and in all probability... is roided to the gills, but I don't see any amazing improvements, because the fact is Takam, Charr, Perez and Wach are pretty average opponents and his wins over them have been vastly overrated.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The Glass Jawed Windmiller Deontay Wilder
    Everyone thought Stiverne was going to dole out an ass whuppin of epic proportions on Wilder being that he was the "superior boxer" because he'd outboxed Chris Arreola.:lol: But I said from the beginning Wilder would beat him with ease, and by outboxing him, well I was right, Wilder may not be anything special, but what he does have is athleticism, he's tall, rangy, really long ass arms, and a very underrated jab when he wants to use it. But the blind irrational hatred of Wilder for several reasons I'm not going to go into here, kept many of his detractors from seeing the Stiverne match as clearly as they should have. Stiverne is a big slow lumbering fairly negative boxer who never had a chance against a young gun like Wilder. Nothing he possessed aside from power was a remote threat to Deontay.

    Then his first defense Eric Molina, not a great boxer by any means but a decent one, he hurt Arreola badly in their match and he went in for the kill back when Chris still had some decent pop and he paid for it, he spent years rebuilding his career and worked out a lot of kinks and improved quite a bit, none of his recent wins have been that great but he did beat Zumbano Love a lot more impressively than Andy Ruiz Jr. Not a great win, but Molina is a somewhat dangerous puncher, so Wilder passed that chin checking test.

    Johan Duhaupas... many Wilder bashers like to throw off on him, but why should they, he did handily beat Charr after all, one of Povetkin's recent big wins, and guess what, the roided up German guy that just KO'd Price... Erkan Teper....Duhaupas beat him too, but alas it was in Germany, so he got robbed. Duhaupas is no world beater by any means, but he is around the same level as Takam.

    And that brings us to Szpilka who has a glass jaw, after all he was stopped by Bryant Jennings, but that glass jaw required him to become a far better boxer than the one who faced Jennings, so he learned from his mistakes and hooked up with Ronnie Shields...you know the guy who specializes in awkward defensive fighters like Lara, the Charlos and for a time Rigondeaux, he got a hell of a lot better and presented Deontay with a hell of a lot of problems primarily due to his Southpaw stance until he got brutally KTFO.


    The fact is Povetkin's wins over Charr, Takam, Perez and Wach aren't that much better than Wilder's wins over Stiverne, Molina, Duhaupas and Szpilka in fact I'm pretty sure most of Wilder's victims would give a Sasha's victims a run for their money, after all Duhaupas has already beaten one of them.

    Povetkin is being severely overrated, and while overrated by some Wilder is underrated by many others. He keeps winning in spite of everyone doubting him and criticizing him every step of the way. And I predict that not only will he beat Povetkin, but he may even do so by KO. Povetkin is somewhat slow, tends to be a plodder at times, he has short arms and is anything but awkward, gasses a little when truly pushed, his chin is questionable, he was hurt several times by Huck and had Wlad really tried he could have finished him off. Wilder Vs. Povetkin won't look entirely dissimilar from Wilder-Stiverne only I'm not sure that Sasha can hold up to the constant barrage of straight rights he'll be eating from the faster harder hitting far more agile Wilder the whole night.



    Another question? Why would anyone want Povetkin to win anyway? He has the personality of a sloth, no charisma, humorless, unlikable, boring and aside from his KO's his matches are usually dull. He's definitely no Golovkin or Krusher in the charisma department.:lol:

    Deontay on the other hand is a very likable guy, is very warm and good natured, seems to be a good father, puts on thrilling edge of your seat matches (you never know when his glass jaw may shatter) is a fine s*** talker who can get the casual fan engaged again, and he delivers the all important Brutal KO at the end of his matches. He's everything the sport of Boxing in the US needs, will he be an All Time Great. No.... but for as long as he's around the shows he puts on will be a hell of a lot more entertaining than Povetkin and Tyson Fury's boring asses.


    War Deontay



    :ibutt:ibuttBOMB SQUAD:ibutt:ibutt


    God I hope Wilder will actually go through with it after writing all of this.:lol:


    For the record I think Povetkin's resume is impressive and is faaaaaaaar better than Wilder's on every level, but I also can't imagine Wilder doing any worse against most of them than Povetkin did, in fact he may beat some of them even more impressively. Except for Wlad of course, he'd lose to him as well.


    Get ready Sasha...Here comes the....
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    Postscript: Duhaupas just walked down the undefeated Robert Helenius and completely destroyed him KOing him in 6 rounds.
    Eric Molina had a back and forth competitive match with Adamek, before brutally KOing Adamek at the end of the 10th round.
     
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  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Povetkin is "slightly above average" as you say if you believe there are currently a maximum of 2 heavyweight fighters better than "slightly above average."

    He perhaps comes across to you as being overrated by the masses for what he's done since the Wladimir loss because he truly was underrated, even by the hardcores who should have a keen eye, for several years before that match.

    In the worst heavyweight era in history, he has well proven to be the third best HW since Lennox Lewis. And I would point to his opposition, his results against them, and his performances in those fights. He simply has more and better than anyone not named Klitschko in that time span. He may not be "late 1960's-1970's legit" but he is "2000's-2010's great."
     
  4. _Scott_

    _Scott_ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder is overrated you ***got. Povetkin knocks him silly.

    When will Wilder step up and fight a real top 10 contender? I'll answer it for you, he won't.
     
  5. _Scott_

    _Scott_ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And for the record. Mike Perez schools Wilder easily.
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    ***got?.... Oh My you're touchy aren't you.:lol:

    Perez is a joke get over it, he's been exposed 3 times now.
     
  7. _Scott_

    _Scott_ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Perez got a better record than Wilder, so what does that mean? Wilder is the biggest joke in boxing.
     
  8. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Povetkin came into the match with a p*** poor game plan.....he didn't have one. He repeatedly put his head down and charged in like a re****ed bull trying to gore a matador, his arms flailing around like a "Windmiller" he looked like a special needs child in that match. And what happened Wlad nails him, he falls into Wlad, Wlad holds hits him with a few dirty uppercuts, rewind do the whole thing over again. He DID NOT adjust because he was incapable of adjusting, he had no strategy whatsoever and when that failed he was really lost. Povetkin would never beat Wlad no matter what, and to be honest he's lucky Wlad held so much that's the only thing that kept him from being knocked the **** out."

    Perfect ****ysis of that match. And yes, Povetkin is overrated. He's a nice bloke, serious, respectful, humble, and has his nice moments inside the ring, but he's limited by his size, stamina (lack of) and lack of a style that would help him dealing with tall opponents, who he has no clue how to face.

    Theorically, he could land a punch on Wilder, and that punch have enough behind it, in spite of having to go upward and be bent and likely partially stopped due to Povetkin's inability to punch straight, to spark Wilder out, his punch resistence is that bad.

    But it's as a puncher's chance as it gets, as Wilder will likely be fighting on the back foot and behind a jab, and Povetkin will be stumbling around the ring trying to catch up on him, swinging wild to thin air.

    The most probable result, at like 95% probability, is Wilder by WIDE decision. Povetkin is that limited.

    Interestingly, Chambers, the actual Chambers, may have a better chance than Povetkin to beat Wilder.
     
  9. _Scott_

    _Scott_ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So beating up hookers and people with mental disorder makes him a likable guy? :lol:


    Molina was a decent opponent, because he beat Zumbano Love? Shot Amadek will face him next month and box circles around him.

    Duhaupas was also a terrible opponent, he lost to Teper and only got a MD over Manuel Charr.

    Szpilka has a glass jaw.

    Carlos Takam UD Bermane Stiverne
    Mike Perez UD Bermane Stiverne
    Mariusz Wach UD Bermane Stiverne
    Manuel Charr UD Eric Molina
    Johann Duhaupas MD Manuel Charr
    Szpilka MD Manuel Charr
    Carlos Takam KO Eric Molina
    Mike Perez KO Eric Molina
    Mariusz Wach UD Eric Molina
    Carlos Takam UD Johann Duhaupas
    Mike Perez UD Johann Duhaupas
    Mariusz Wach MD Johann Duhaupas
    Carlos Takam KO Artur Szpilka
    Mike Perez KO Artur Szpilka
    Mariusz Wach UD/KO Artur Szpilka
     
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    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Mostly good ****ysis in the OP, except too hard on both Povetkin and Wilder. An "average" fighter is someone like Fred Latham, current #181 by boxrec, not Povetkin or Wilder. They have incredible skill levels to allow them to reach the top of their sport, they deserve some respect. That said, Wilder's last 4, while bad for championship defenses, would probably win more matches than they'd lose from Povetkin's last 4. And Wilder did better than Povetkin against his 4. I can never understand why Wilder is criticized for his performance against Duhaupas, which I thought was superb, and in which he didn't lose a round, whereas Povetkin is praised for his performance against Charr. Duhaupas beat Charr, and Charr stole at least 2 round on my scorecard from Povetkin and was close in a couple others. I can see why Wilder is less popular than Povetkin, because Wilder has a real belt and his defenses are no more ambitious than beltless Povetkin, but there is a clear double standard in evaluating them.

    It's a 50/50 fight. Povetkin has beaten many more names over his career, but is much older than Wilder. Looking by the last 4 fights is a better way of gauging it, and by that standard, there are arguments to make for either fighter.
     
  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder is underrated.

    And Povetkin is overrated.

    The truth is there isn't much between them. Should be a good fight. But I think Wilder is on the way up while Povetkin is on the way down.

    Wilder by KO.
     
  13. _Scott_

    _Scott_ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Povetkins last 4 opponents >>>>>>>> Wilders last 4 opponents

    Total bs on the Povetkin-Charr fight.. Povetkin didn't even lose a minute in that fight, let alone 2 rounds. Wilder doesn't have a real belt, he is a paper champion. Povetkin is much more skilled than Wilder, he faced better opposition after 10-12 fights in his career than Wilder after 36 fraudulent 'fights'. Duhaupas is the most feather fisted top-50 heavyweight at the moment, yet he inflicted a lot of damage to Wilder.

    There is no way Wilder can stop the machine that Povetkin is. Ruski Vityaz by early KO.
     
  14. XCalibur79

    XCalibur79 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This ****ysis is mostly spot on. And the primary Povetkin advocate responding to it is about par for the course as well, come up with a two line response to a long and detailed ****ysis along the lines of "This is rubbish, Povetkin by murderous KO."

    I do agree, Povetkin's last four opponents have been somewhat overrated. Mostly guys who really beat nobody.
     
  15. XCalibur79

    XCalibur79 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Every shred of evidence suggests that Perez would get knocked out by Wilder in early rounds.