Alexander Povetkin vs. Deontay Wilder-Wilder Is Underrated And Povetkin Is Overrated.

Oh come on Fernando, Povetkin isnt a blown up Lightheavy.

 

Povetkin would have made cruiser without problem during his career.

 

Right! Now I challenge you to make me!

 

The size difference between Povetkin and Anthony Joshua, is not much, if at all any different than the size difference between Vasyl Lomachenko and Errol Spence Jr.

And the size difference between Povetkin and Joshua, was SIGNIFICANTLY, and I mean SIGNIFICANTLY greater than the size difference between Vasyl Lomachenko and Guillermo Rigondeaux. Yet, many people complained that the size difference between Lomachenko and Rigondeaux was too much, and that therefore, it was a mismatch and an unfair match up.

Yet, here we have a bigger / greater disadvantage that Povetkin faced against Joshua, but are these same people complaining in favor of Povetkin as they were for Rigondeaux? I don't read / hear anywhere near the same number of complaints about this match up being as much of a mismatch as Rigondeaux vs Lomachenko was, even though that match up between Loma and Rigo was far less of a mismatch.

We need to be objective! If Povetkin should be allowed to face the likes of Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury, then the likes of Oleksandr Gvozdyk should also be allowed to fight the likes of Alexander Povetkin and the likes of Vasyl Lomachenko should also be allowed to fight the likes of Errol Spence Jr.

For all intents and purposes, Povetkin belongs in a different weight division than Anthony Joshua ALTOGETHER. Especially if we go by how much bigger Joshua was in size compared to Povetkin. They did not even belong in the same weight division, never mind the same ring with each other on fight night.

Also, Povetkin weighs 220 - 230 pounds whilst also carrying 20 or more pounds of body fat. Someone like Deontay Wilder for example, weighs in the same weight range, but carries nowhere near the amount of body fat that Povetkin carries and is mostly composed of muscle. If Povetkin got rid of his unnecessary and extra body fat, how much do you think he would weigh? He would be at most, a cruiser weight.

 

If you want to be objective put the tape measure and scales away and look at Povetkin the fighter and how well he has done in the divsion and how highly ranked he has always been and the resume and the fact Wilder ran for the hills and has never ever mentioned his name again. You seem to be ruling out everything that makes Povetkin the highly ranked dangerous fighter he is and measuring and weighing him instead.

 

Povetkin is bigger than Ruslan Chagaev , whats Chagaev , a middle weight? lol

 

Povetkin won a super heavy weight gold medal. The same medal guys like Lennox Lewis and Wlad Klitschko won.

If Povetkin was anything less than a pure naturally built heavyweight , we would have fought at HW or even LHW in he Olympics , not at SHW.

Povetkin is a fully fledged pure bred HW. Fact.

 

Povetkin won a super heavyweight gold medal in 2004. That's ancient times by modern standard. The heavyweight division has changed SIGNIFICANTLY since then. Someone who was a CREDIBLE and a LEGITIMATE 'heavyweight' in 2004, doesn't NECESSARILY qualify as a 'heavyweight' in 2018. This also applies to Ruslan Chagaev too.

If Povetkin was a true HEAVYWEIGHT, he wouldn't have been out-muscled in such a humiliating fashion by Wladimir Klitshcko, where he looked like he belonged in at least 2, if not more weight divisions below due to how ASTRONOMICALLY and INSANELY weak he was compared to Wladimir Klitschko in terms of physical strength. The strength difference was like that of a T-Rex compared to a mouse / house cat.

Povetkin has fought at heavyweight due to money. Otherwise, he is no bigger than a lot of cruiser weights today.

 

Let me put it this way:

If Golovkin were to fight at light heavyweight for his entire career, despite being a natural middleweight and having the size of a middleweight, and suppose he were to beat everybody, except the ABSOLUTE elites such as Sergey Kovalev, Artur Beterbiev, Oleksandr Gvozdyk and Dmitry Bivol, would that change the fact that he is a NATURAL middleweight with the size of a middleweight and was never really a NATURAL light heavyweight to begin with? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Just because he is capable of beating other lower level light heavyweights, despite being a middleweight in size, doesn't at all change the fact that he is in fact, a middleweight. And I'd make Golovkin the favorite to beat most light heavyweights, except the elites, which is when size matters most.

The same is the case with Alexander Povetkin. He has managed to beat lower level heavyweights who have been bigger than him in size. However, at the absolute elite level against super heavyweights, twice he's failed (against Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko). Wonder why that is? Because he lacked size!

Point is, a boxer with size disadvantage can and will often beat bigger sized opponents that aren't elite level. However, when those same small boxers fight a bigger sized opponent that is also elite, then size becomes a huge factor.

SIZE MATTERS AT THE ELITE / HIGHEST / TOP LEVEL!

Just because Povetkin has been fighting at heavyweight and just because he's managed to beat many heavyweights much bigger than him (that aren't elite level), doesn't change the fact that he was never really a NATURAL and a LEGITIMATE heavyweight like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko, Tyson Fury and perhaps even Deontay Wilder are / have been.

 

Your scraping a barrel here petal. You are claiming that povetkin isn't a heavyweight and Joshua should get no credit for it. Funny enough it's not the 1st Joshua opponent you've tried to discredit. You clearly have an anti Joshua anti hearn agenda and your scraping that barrel big time.

 

Except if you hadn't noticed by now, I rank Joshua as the best heavyweight today (until Usyk moves up or until some of the new prospects prove otherwise) and I clearly rank him higher than Deontay Wilder. So spare me this overly defensive remark!

My posts in this thread are about Povetkin not being a LEGITIMATE / CREDIBLE heavyweight by modern standard. It has nothing to do with me giving, or not giving Anthony Joshua credit.

 

The difference between say 112lbs and 140lbs is way less than between 222lbs and 250lbs

Even based on %

But in terms of how it translates in the ring povetkin had a bigger head, wider shoulders, bigger wrists and hands.

Yes he's a couple inches shorter and 20lbs lighter but he's just as strong and possibly more physically robust. He's not a smaller man just a shorter man.

 

Povetkin is a legit heavyweight he's just at the tail end of his career it happens to everyone.

 

On fight night, Lomachenko weighed 137 pounds whilst Rigondeaux weighed 130 pounds. That's merely a 7 pound weight difference. That's also only a 5.38% weight difference in terms of percentage. Not to mention, both Lomachenko and Rigondeaux have roughly the same amount of functional weight (both have relatively a similar amount of body fat percentage).

Meanwhile, Povetkin's average weight is 227 pounds (also consisting of non-functional weight such as greater fat percentage than Joshua) whilst Joshua's average weight is 249 pounds. That's a 22 pound weight difference. That's also a 9.69% weight difference in terms of percentage. That's whilst including weight composed of fat. If we only examine both of their weight in terms of just functional weight / muscles whilst excluding weight composed of fat, then Joshua would be EVEN heavier than Povetkin.

So the size difference between Joshua and Povetkin is significantly / astronomically greater than the size difference between Lomachenko and Rigondeaux.

Also, Joshua is about 5 inches taller than Povetkin whilst Lomachenko was only 2 or 3 inches taller than Rigondeaux. And Joshua has a 7 inch reach advantage over Povetkin (82 > 75) whilst Lomachenko had the shorter reach than Rigondeaux.

So in every which way in terms of size. Whether it's based on weight difference in terms of pounds, weight difference in terms of percentage, height difference and reach difference. The size difference between Joshua and Povetkin was astronomically / significantly greater than the size difference that was between Lomachenko and Rigondeaux. In other words, Joshua had a SIGNIFICANTLY / ASTRONOMICALLY greater size advantage over Povetkin than Lomachenko had over Rigondeaux. Lomachenko and Rigondeaux are closer in size than Joshua and Povetkin are.

So objectively speaking, if bouts like Rigondeaux and Lomachenko should not happen due to size difference, then nor should bouts like Povetkin vs Joshua where the size difference between the two boxers are even greater. And if Povetkin and Joshua should be allowed to fight each other, then so should boxers that are separated by the same size difference as Lomachenko and Rigondeaux were in other weight divisions too.