Alexander Povetkin vs. Deontay Wilder-Wilder Is Underrated And Povetkin Is Overrated.

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't know if Deontay is "underrated" in the grand scheme of perceptions, but I definitely think Povetkin is overrated on the whole.

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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I was trying to think of a title that would suck in posters, I had a brain fart after writing it at 6 in the morning, and couldn't come up with a good one.:dead

    But it played into the narrative I was trying to put forth, Povetkin is overrated, most think of Wilder as below average, when in reality they're roughly on the same level so they kind of even out.
     
  3. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You're certifiable. Abdu's only decent win was against shot McCline, who kd'd Abdu before Adbu pulled it out. Arreola beat a more prime version of McCline much more easily. Arreola was in turn beaten by Stiverne. There is no rational argument that Abdu is remotely on the level of Stiverne. Just none.

    Also, Takam's best (really only notable) win is against Thompson. Scott (a different Wilder victim) beat Thompson too. Again, you have no rational argument that Takam is top 10 and Wilder victims like Scott and Stiverne are not.
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    He wasn't even close to sick if he was that dehydrated he wouldn't have been able to stand up, he's full of ****, he was looking for an easy excuse for why he lost so badly.
     
  5. XCalibur79

    XCalibur79 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tell that to Spzilka, Liakhovich, and even Firtha. You know the man Povetkin couldn't knock out.
     
  6. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I have an autographed 8X10 of Wladimir Klitschko framed above my desk staring into my soul right now.

    Don't make assumptions. Don't drink so much salt water.
     
  7. Stallion

    Stallion Son of Rome Full Member

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    Congratulations. You are not using that as some kind of ana logy, are you?

    Maybe I haven't understood what you were trying to say, but the Klitschkos era is definitely not the weakest in boxing history. Those are the lines most commonly used by the people who hate on Klitschkos and try their best to discredit them.

    Let's take one example, it is much stronger than the era of Jack Johnson.
     
  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I disagree. Jeannette, Langford, McVea... all three would be the second or at worst third best HW of the Klitschko Era. Why? Because every and any ranking ever proves just that.

    It's all just opinion.

    Wladimir has always been one of my favorite fighters. Doesn't mean I can't keep it real about his era. Now he is a legit ATG HW because he pretty much routinely fought every remotely warranted challenger and thrashed an absurd number of them while atop the division. But the era is ridiculously weak. He has a strong legacy for his crazy resume. But the weak era is what it is. He can't help it that nobody ever stood out or accomplished anything of much note other than Povetkin and his big brother during the entire 10+ year stretch. But that reality contributes to my opinion that this is the weakest era in history (perhaps there may be one other decade or era of similar note, perhaps).

    * as for my salt water comment, just a little dig at you sounding salty... don't worry, it's not personal and I won't remember your screenname tomorrow.
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    He's a fellow paisan (a real one) you should be nicer to him Nonito.
     
  10. Stallion

    Stallion Son of Rome Full Member

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    Well, you don't want to seriously put much into that argument, do you? You would be in a very tough position backing that. But anyway, if that's what you truly believe, so be it.
     
  11. andrewa1

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    That's crazy, you'd put little 5'10 Sam McVea of the 18 losses and no ATG wins, 5'10 Jeannette of 26 losses and no ATG wins, and 5'7 Langford with over 30 losses and no ATG wins over Vitali (and Povetkin, and for that matter Sanders, Peter and Byrd)?! Whatever. I'd rank each of the K era fighters I named above all of them combined, resume, h2h, you name it.
     
  12. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    A lot of bloggers around here like to sound like they are sophisticated by name dropping old timers like that and putting them above modern fighters with an indisputably better legacy. Langford gets a lot of unwarranted attention like that, especially. He never beat anyone, which is the argument people use against Vitali, but is often ranked higher on lists than Vitali out of a desire to deprecate Vitali and sound sophisticated, despite having a terrible record that is not at all comparable to some of the more modern greats he is often listed above.
     
  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    And that's your opinion.

    Odd to rank any current HW other than Klitschko ahead of Langford, McVea, and Jeannette. Maybe you haven't studied eras of the distant past. It's OK. This is merely my opinion.
     
  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Cool, cool.

    (I wasn't being mean to him)
     
  15. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Honestly, I view that as a can't-lose argument. But I can acknowledge it's just an opinion.