Alexander Povetkin vs Ernie Shavers

Not much left then, is there?

The poll is over 80% in Povetkin's favour. Seems to me that you are the obstinate one.

Do you remember Berbick beating down the overrated Ali? That's the situation we're looking at here.

 

My point being that there are several no-name brand boxers I could have (and did) pick which demonstrate Shavers is well within the orbit of a guy like Povetkin to beat. I left out Stan Johnson.

 

He’s definitely within the orbit of Povetkin without that comparison needing to be made.

Remember Shavers only had a relatively short amateur career compared to Povetkin who was an outstanding amateur. Blemishes like the Stander and Stallings fights are probably a by product of Earnie learning a lot of his trade on the job as opposed to Sasha who was a much more rounded and developed fighter from the get go.

The fact is that Povetkin is a more well rounded and multi-faceted fighter than Shavers anyway and deserves to be favoured here imo. But anyone that can whack like Earnie has to be treated with the utmost caution by anyone including a Povetkin.

 

Sure. As I said, Shavers has a chance against almost anybody because he could really hit, and that includes Povetkin.

 

Povetkin is simply hyped to something he is not in this thread. He would not have won a belt in the shavers days. When he stepped up in class against Joshua and Wlad, he got completely dominated. One can argue that he is a bit more skilled than Shavers but Earnie hits harder and fought in a tougher era. Styles make fights and I suggest Earnie has a good chance of knocking the Russian's ass out who likes to fight in close quarters. If you do not agree, that is fine, but do not act like Povetkin is something he is not. Earnie did beat Ellis, Young and Norton and came close to knocking Holmes out, and gave Ali a great battle. He is often regarded as the hardest puncher of all times.

 

Yeah, I'm not gonna bother to argue with these guys. No point wasting time by listing names when we all have boxrec and YouTube, especially after they already dismissed them. Not sure why he bothered to quote me if he didn't want my opinion.

 

While I agree Povetkin wins, this is simply not true. Unless You think Jimmy Young, Roy Williams, and Joe Bugner had chins like wet cardboard.

Holmes was saved by the bell and had to hug for dear life.

 

Shavers broke his hand against Stander.

 

OMG he could break his hand against Povetkin too. Hmmm. Shavers sounds kind of fragile.

 

Byrd was shot to pieces against Povetkin. I am looking for good names on Povetkin's record but I can't find much. His showing against Wlad was a disgrace, he lost every round

 

He broke his hand because he accidentally punched him square in the forehead. He described Standers head as feeling like a marble table and was 2nd to Cobb in durability. You should never aim for someone's forehead, not a good feeling

Most of Standers stoppages were from cuts and bleeding. He cut a lot like Chuck Wepner.

If Povetkin was fighting 7, 8, 9x a year while working full time in a factory, taking fights on short notice, and having a bad promoter he'd have some weird losses too. I'm not saying Shavers wins, I think he loses this more often than not, but anyone can simply look on boxrec and criticize a fighter with no context.

Povetkin wins 60-70% of the time tho imo.

 

Even though i disagree with you and think Shavers wins yours is really an excellent post.

 

I was being a little facetious

 

You little ****!

 

I'd say it's Shavers who's being overhyped here. At any rate Povetkin would not be 'stepping up in class' to fight him. Shavers most certainly would, and almost every time he did so he lost. Povetkin only lost to the very best.

You don't need to argue that he was 'a bit more skilled' than Shavers. It's obvious how much more well schooled he is. Much better punch technique, better defence, better use of angles, far better combination punching. Much better at pacing himself as well which was always a major weakness of Shavers. About the only thing I'd say Shavers did better was turn his punches over, since he was all about wringing as much power out of a shot as possible.

Stylistically this favours Povetkin as well. Shavers was most devastating at mid range where he could get space to launch his big overhand right. At close range he could whack, but his lack of speed and clubbing style meant he could be outpunched by tighter, crisper punchers. Povetkin would be cracking him with tight straight down the pipe uppercuts and hooks off either hand before Shavers could wind up one of his big clubbing blows. If Shavers hits him he could definitely shake him up, but frankly Shavers didn't have the kind of lights out power that would be able to finish the job. Not even Wlad could pull the trick, and he was hitting Pov with some brutal shots.

You'll no doubt argue at this point that Shavers was a harder hitter than Wlad. He wasn't. The most his power achieves against Povetkin is a momentary knockdown after shaking him up with a big shot Pov isn't braced for. He's not coming close to knocking him out.