Alexander Povetkin vs Evander Holyfield

calm down boys....you all are winners here......Let's just agree....they are both evenly matched fighters. As As tough as they come...

 

A pair of hookers.

 

You may be right. In a battle of attrition, I have to go with Holyfield. Not that Povetkin isn't a proven fighter in his own right, but Holyfield is a proven warrior through his entire career.

 

Eh no. Mike Tyson even in the 90s was as good of a hooker as Povetkin. Povetkin has trouble against small heavyweights, Holyfield is a small heavyweight and is elite on the inside. In addition Holyfield like Tyson wasn't in his prime in that 1996 fight, he was in his prime in the early 90s

 

Prime Povetkin had problems only with Huck who was more tough than HW Takam then. Until he get wobbled by Glowacki, get moderate beatup from Briedis and after these fights Usyk stopped him.
Then Povetkin had biggest problems only with Wlad's not too old version who was not smaller but larger than Povetkin.

Yeah, like 37 y.o and older Povetkin's versions too were out of prime, this too is not secret.
Tyson from 1987/1988 was too mobile and too patient, too hard to hit him for Tyson from 90 ies.

 

Old timers are seriously overrated on this board. Heavyweights before late nineties-early 2000's had no defence as a general rule. There were some outliers, and they're considered GOAT's. It was their defence that made them so good and better than the rest. The reason boxing fans like to say that today's era is the worst on record is that heavyweight boxers have finally learned defence. Back in the day they blocked shots with their faces. I guess fights like that are entertaining to watch, but you aren't blocking Povetkin's shots with your face. Povetkin KO.

 

This a troll ?

 

No. Take Holyfield. There's a reason he's barely coherent. Same goes for another so called "great" of the "golden nineties" - Bowe. Can't make out a word he says. I guess it's due to their great defence. Their defensive genius was so great that their brains were overloaded by it and short-circuited, which is why they can't speak properly anymore.

 

Lol no it doesn't work like that. Everybody is different and they fought more times, been in more wars and in way tougher eras. Ali has amazing footwork and head movement, far more so than Povetkin but he still ended up with brain damage. Different eras and different people. In addition to that medical advances and technology have helped people. Last but not least this era is still going on, for all you know brain damage might make itself more known later on life for some of these fighters.

Just a bunch of flawed logic you're spewing out

 

Ali from 60 ies had almost 0 damage.
Ali from 70 ies had , mainly from Frazier I, II, III and Shavers fight, then also from Foreman a bit.
Beating he get from Frazier rare boxer might bear. Foreman had been saved from this because managed not to allow Frazier close distance and beated him until Frazier started to work on him seriously.

 

Yes but thats a good example. Foreman wasn't known for his defense in his prime, went to war with Lyle and got tagged up as an old man yet he ended up far better than Bowe and Holyfield. Everybody is different

 

Yeah, but appeared that he was very smart with gameplan vs Frazier in their fights. This saved Foreman from endless punches.
Frazier really was very dangerous if he get started to work in distance and angles comfortable for him.
Btw I think in current 12 rounds fights era Frazier might be with higher output ratio cos he now needed to use gas tank for 12 rounds not to plan for 15 rounder. I think Frazier had gas tank enough also for 16 round fights too, not alone 15 rounders.

 

That was flashy **** that doesn't work. The man ate a ton of leather.

 

Watch Ali vs Sonny Liston and watch his highlights. He had great footwork. But he fight a LOT and fought stylistic nightmares such as Ken Norton and Frazier after coming out of prison.

Are you actually suggesting he didn't have great defense? Lol

 

Huge Tekin fan but Holy is just to mobile and juiced