Alexander Povetkin vs Max Baer

Huck's a horribly underrated fighter who gave it his all that night. Even if that was the worst version of Povetkin we've seen in recent years, it's no shame to have the odd off night, especially against a man as savage and unorthodox as Huck.

Baer's likely to provide an altogether gentler and more manageable challenge.

 

You seem to have changed your tune a lot when explaining away Huck's success.

Lets say that I suggested that Baer would beat a fighter that you respect "because he would just fight like a maniac that night".

Would that wash with you?

 

How so? I don't consider Huck a historically great fighter, but I do consider him a very good fighter, and one of the purest brawlers to ever grace the sport. He performed out of his skin that night, and nearly had Povetkin out of there. Many people thought he won that fight, and deservedly so.

If there were similar instances of his doing so. Baer's best performance, which I'd use as a basis for an argument in favour of his winning, would be the Carnera fight where he indeed fought like a maniac. I'm not sure that's quite enough to justify him beating an opponent like Povetkin, but it shows he was capable of unleashing his inner savage at times.

 

based on him beating or matching which good or very good fighter?

Huck obviously has good longevity and commitment but to extend that to being a very good fighter is very superfluous.

 

Baer could get downright sadistic in flashes. That last round against Schmeling was ugly. A man possessed.

 

Based on his performance against Povetkin obviously.

 

so... ... you are proving the ability of POVETKIN by bigging up HUCK'S ability on the basis of his fight WITH Povetkin himself.

Ever heard the term "circular reasoning"? Because you are the poster boy for it right now.

 

And for successfully contesting for the WBO cruiserweight title some 13-14 times. His record is extremely solid and his losses have been pretty much against the creme de la creme of his division. Baer on the other hand has losses to rather more woeful competition. Braddock beat the snot out of him and Braddock at 49-

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at the time wasn't exactly one of boxing's man-eaters.

 

While on the face of it I agree with your statement, I'd just like to point out that the same sort of circular reasoning is used in bigging up people like Bowe - Holyfield. Their wins over each other make a case for their greatness.

 

I thought Povetkin won reasonably clearly. Certainly not his best performance, and if Huck had been a little heavier he may have had problems. Pov is usually much better than that.

 

I am not disputing your assessment of Huck's performance against Povetkin, indeed I think it entirely accurate.

I just feel that you are praising Huck for the very qualities that Baer is being prosecuted for.

 

holyfield hardly needs a case built on just ONE name on his resume. beating him does count for something indicating ability. But Bowe is not considered ATG HOF at all. He was good world class, with a case for elite at the most.

 

Some folks have Bowe in the top 10 HW's. When you call them on it, it's mostly based on the Holyfield wins.

 

Except Povetkin is a proven top level fighter, so for anyone to be competitive against him is proof enough of their worth. No one is bigging Povetkin up for hanging with Huck.

All true. Huck was about to make history when he defended against Glowacki to become the longest reigning CW champ. Unfortunately things didn't work out for him, though he came within a hair of achieving it. I still to this day don't know how Glowacki got up from that monster left hook Huck put him down with, and by all accounts Huck should have remained champion right then and there. Alas, it was not to be.

It was one of those fights where the winner won his rounds by narrow margins while the loser had all the biggest moments. Povetkin was badly rocked by Huck numerous times, and was literally left reeling on his feet at the end of the twelfth round. It's probably the closest I've ever seen to Povetkin getting stopped, and that includes the Wlad fight.

 

well they r fools.