Alexei Egorov: A Cold Wind Blows Across The Russian Bog-The Heavyweight Bear Of Kaluga

I wasn’t impressed with anything about Shabransky.

 

He had power and size but that was about it IMHO.

 

Size is good only if you know how to use it, look at Atlantez fox, the most useless 6’5 middleweight. I’m not sure about his power, sure he dropped Barrera but so did Ward, Valera, Bivol and I think Joe Smith did too?

 

His power might not have been on Kovalev's level but it was pretty good when he sat on his punches, apart from the numerous sparring stories on the way up he knocked out durable guys like Garrett Wilson (cruisers such as Alekseevs, Mchunu, Glazkov, G. Jones couldn't stop him), Derrick Findley, and stunned Yunieski Gonzalez repeatedly (although Gonzalez went the distance). Plus even from eye test his power was pretty good, e.g.:

 

Ahh funny how opinions change, if I said that before i was wrong in hindsight but thanks for pulling that comment up. I don’t think Shabranksy has big power but you are right if you stood right in front of him and he caught you would be in trouble.

I guess this is a question of how you look at power, my opinion of a fighter with power is someone who knows how to land it against the top calibre opposition, personally I don’t care if you have a 100% KO of journeyman. I wanna see you hurt the top guys coz that’s when I know your power is tried and tested at the top level. If you use a different definition then that’s what might be causing the difference in a opinion.

 

Yes, it's a different definition, for me having power means he has the power to hurt or even KO the top guys if he lands just right ...

The guy might not have the speed / skill to land it barring a lucky punch (Shabra didn't) and he might be so open and susceptible that he gets KO'ed first (likewise applicable), but I reckon if he caught Barrera and most of the top LHWs properly he could've hurt them.

P.S. I thought Shabra was going to catch Barrera at some point so I was even more wrong than you!

 

Fair enough but isn’t that kind of like saying potential. Potential isn’t really anything if the person doesn’t live up to it. An analogy is if you have a guy who very business minded he has pulled of great deals at a lower level making thousands and even 100, 000. he showing all the makings of being a potential million dollar business owner but when he gets to that national and multi national stage he fails, his business goes bust. You couldn’t actually call that guy a millionaire, of course maybe under the right circumstances he would make the million but in reality he came up against smarter competition who knew all the tricks he was tryna use. Not sure if the analogy works but I hope you see my point.

I’m personally not into would be, could be, if this happens then etc etc, I’m into what happened to you when you actually got that shot, did you live up to the hype or not.

 

Fair enough, all I'm really saying is that he had the power to give him a chance, although that chance may have only been a small chance and it obviously didn't happen.

 

I hear you but if the chance doesn’t come into just a virtual chance. If given the chance a lot of guys could KO someone just look at Chisora who isn’t considered a power puncher starching out a durable guy in takam.

@CST80 must be thinking how did his thread about Egorov become a shabranksy thread lool

 

It’s cool at least we kept it bumping even if it’s off topic

 

Shabranskyy looked good around the time he beat Yunieski Gonzalez, he was getting hype after that fight.. Remember Gonzalez had just been robbed against Jean Pascal so he was highly rated at that time himself. But I
feel after that they just chucked him in at the deep end against Barrera and Kovalev. Anyone it is what it is, He's still a decent top 20 Light Heavyweight.

Egorov on the other hand, looks the real deal

 

Haha lol. Honestly I am of the opinion that boxing is quite random, the sample sizes are so small. Consider an analogy to tennis, for example - the top players play each other many times and have records like 1165-255 (Federer), (888-186) Nadal, (816-173 ) Djokovic.

With a better sample size we have a reasonable idea of how good they are. But in boxing, we only get one (or maybe two) samples. And that's ignoring the fact that boxing tends to destroy its losers, it's hard to come back as good as you were. Were Nadal, Djokovic, and Federer playing only two or three matches a year we'd have no way of knowing that all three were necessarily that good, Federer might be something like 36-8, Nadal and Djokovic 27-6 ...

 

Good point, however even when they play three or 4 times a year we still see their quality.

Don’t get me wrong I don’t expect a power puncher to be someone who blasts everyone out 100% of the time, Kovalev is a power puncher, but he never got Ward, B hop and Alvarez out of there. GGG another big puncher he never stopped Jacobs and Canelo. However we saw what these guys did to the B level guys, we also saw them cause the A level guys to be cautious, which tells you that their power was a factor.

I never saw Kovalev moving away from Shabranksy the way Ward moved from him, I never saw Barrera moving away from Shabranksy.

 

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