Alexis Arguello - Discussion

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by GPater11093, Sep 9, 2009.


  1. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Alexis Arguello is #1 on my list of all time favorites. Little Red is #2. The other spots change periodically depending on what I've been watching and/or reading. The #1 and #2 spots never change.

    When I say Alexis was not a highly regarded prospect, that's relative to many other prospects over the years. Take for example Matt Korobov. That kid was on HBO in his 6th pro fight. Arguello did not enjoy that kind of notariety.

    I always wondered what was up with the Reyes fight. I did not know the full story until now.

    I've developed the habit of pointing out Arguello's early failings from some of the crap that goes on in the general forum. Todays younger fans seem to think that a few losses makes a fighter a bum. In my opinion Alexis is the ultimate proof that such an idea is muddle headed at best.

    Prior to the Olivares fight Arguello was sort of "on again/off again." Erensto Marcel is hardly the first name that comes to mind when I think of great featherweights. It seems like the loss to Marcel woke something up in Alexis, because after that he went on a wild ass tear and won (I think) 25 straight including two world titles. I don't think many people realized Alexis was truly something special until he beat Escalera the first time.

    On another note, you mentioned PBF. At 130 in 15 rounder, Alexis lights his ass up in the 14th. He'd find a way, because that's what Alexis did; find a way:yep
     
  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Jofre is a good shout.

    I thought the fight was reasonably close with Olivares winning. I thought both fighters turned it up in the 11th and 12th and it was about even but it did look like if it kept going htis way Olivares would be first to go.

    I wathce dthe fight on Wednesday so its still quite fresh in my mind

    so could i Flea
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The strongest impressions I have of Alexis Arguello are
    1. The absolutely devastating way he was able to cut, lacerate and shred Alfredo Escalera in that 1st fight of theirs, prompting Howard Cosell to comment that it seemed that Arguello had "razor blades" in his gloves.
    2. The utterly devastating combination he dealt to poor Diego Alcala in that 1 round execution of a title defense in '78.
    3. The one punch destruction of Kevin Rooney
    4. The beating he handed Boom Boom Mancini and his display of class afterwards in consoling Mancini.
    5. His great display of heart before the inevitable end against Aaron Pryor.
    6. The way my wife at the time was so completely so much of a fan of Arguello and for a completely different reason than mine.
     
  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Just watched this fight recently My2...and if anything it was clear. Dont think it was even particularly close.

    Marcel was really handling Alexis early on..which is no surprise for the slow starting Arguello ..but I mean he was really winning these rounds big.
    Alexis was waiting a bit, trying to measure him up and Marcel was clocking him with most of what he threw..especially lead right hands. Now Ernesto was fairly economical himself, when I say he was landing most of what he threw thats because he was pot shotting and counterpunching, he wasnt just throwing for the sake of it. He was quite picky and it was paying off.

    He staggered him I reckon about 4 or 5 times in in the first 1/3 of the fight..And whilst he never had him in any great trouble...Many of these rounds werent close, Alexis had a hard time landing anything significant.

    Around the 9th from what I can gather Alexis really turns it around..Only a couple of rounds earlier he was taking a bit of a beating but in these rounds he really turned it on.

    From about the 8th-12th it was mostly Arguello..and one of those rounds was very big, with Marcel looking weary and the bell coming at exactly the right time for him in I think the 10th.
    Marcel to his credit made Alexis miss a lot...He was still very crafty but he was going ultra defensive, just really doing enough to keep Arguello from really hammering home the advantage..The odd counter right hand snapping Alexis' head back and making him reset his attacks.
    Something had the Panmanian crowd worried though because you could see a few things fly into the ring at this stage.

    But with about 10 mins to go on my film..Marcel turns the fight comprehensively back in his favour. It was one of the most amazing 2nd winds Ive ever seen because he looked so tired on a couple of rounds before but now in the final rounds of the fight he was throwing a lot of leather and bouncing on his toes.

    2 of these rounds were nearly as big as the big one for Arguello...As Marcel fired the **** up with two handed attacks which stagger Alexis at least once and has him holding on tight on several occasions.
    Arguello looked a little winded at this point...perhaps he had punched himself out a little.

    Overall I thought it was a pretty easy fight to score..with only a few hard rounds where you had to seperate the two (plus my copy has a few parts where there was no video for a little bit) ..Both had mostly fairly clear rounds but in the end Marcel was the clear winner...the dejected Arguello seemed like he had accepted his fate when the fight was over.

    Marcel was such an awesome fighter...One of my favorites to watch right now. And you could already see a green Argeullo had greatness written all over him.
     
  5. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Standing at 5''10 exceptionally tall for a fighter who weighed under 140 pounds. Arguello was a thinking man's warrior.

    In his prime years In his prime Arguello was considered nigh invincible. In a boxing magazine in 1978 “Alexis Arguello is regarded by some people as the perfect fighter. He is thought to be--pound for pound, inch-for-inch and punch for punch--the best puglist in the world...a fighter without a flaw.”

    Arguello was a tall, heavy handed, hard jabbing boxer fighter, his punchers carried great levarge, whether it be to the head or body. He had the strength, defence and skills to excel in four weight divisons, reigning as champion in three.

    He knocked out Ruben Olivares to the the WBA Featherweight Title in 74, and defended it four times before stopping Alfredo Escalera for the WBC Super Featherweight Title and defended it eight times.

    He moved to Lightweight, outboxed Jim Watt for the WBC Title, which he defended four times, before losing two wars with Aaron Pryor for the Junior Welterweight Title.

    All in all he won 19 of his 22 title fights, beating 10 titlists.

    Arguello's Resume Of Wins...........
    Ruben Olivares
    Alfredo Escalera x2
    Rafael Limon
    Bobby Chacon
    Ruben Castillio
    Cornelius Boza Edwards
    Jose Luis Ramirez
    Jim Watt
    Ray Macini