Alexis arguello or carlos monzon?

Griffith had great longevity and would successfully fight on for a few years. He was pst it but also the reigning mw champion.

Nah, I just hold the fighters of today to the same standards used on the fighters of the past. There was only one belt. To get this belt you had to beat most of the contenders to even get a shot at it. The equal today is unifying the belts.

 

But if you do that, then you also have to highlight that them guys were past their best and near the end of the carrers when they faced Monzon (Napoles, Griffith)

 

I agree, with this point

 

Griffith would fight on for another 7 years after beeing beaten by Monzon the first time, beating Briscoe, Muniz ...
Past it? Yes! Still good enough to be a serious threat and top contender? Yes!

Napoles would defend his ww title another 4 times succesfully beating some good contenders. It´s not as if he was shot. In fact when he moved up it was seen as the best two fighters in the world going at it and Napoles was seen as the better one ... hindsight is a *****.

 

and Duran was coming one of his best performance's ever at welterweight and would go on to win lightmiddle and middleweight title's.

 

Again, remember the purpose of the thread. It was not to diminish Duran´s standing. I´ma fan. :bart

 

no but it's diminish's Leonard's standing with the comments you used, that aren't fully true.

 

I wanted to make a point. The point that Leonard lost to a man moving up while Monzon did not. To illustrate it I exagerated it. That´s a pretty common rhetorical device I thought. I use it quite often.

And the points are true. They just aren´t telling the full story though. On purpose. To prove a point. Everbody knows how good Duran was and that Griffith and Napoles were past it, even though in hindsight.

 

but not the part about Duran being a blown up lightweight, at that stage in his career his body had matured into the 147 limit, and he was a solid strong welterweight, he would of had to cut of one of his legs to make lightweight again.

 

Doesn´t change the fact that Duran was at that point still a career lightweight who just has moved up. Like I said it´s the truth. Just not the full story. To illustrate a point. Don´t be so stubborn. :bart

 

NO thats fine I don't have a problem with that, but thats very different to calling him a blown up lightweight.

plus he was undeafeated in 8 fights before the Leonard fight.

 

My pick is Arguello. He is in my top 15

 

Above Leonard, I guess.

 

certainly. he has many more accomplishments. Leonard did make my top 30 tho