Alexis Arguello vs Pernell Whitaker @135

Do YOU have any idea what I'm talking about is the real question.

 

That's the problem here, it seem I do, but you're not understanding things. When Kobe tooled an Old Jordan when he came back with the Wizards, did that mean he was the better player between the two? Of course not, Jordan was way past his prime. When Pete Sampras beat an old Boris Becker, does that mean he'd do the same to Becker is his prime? Who's to say. Same when Federer lost to Djokovic, way past his best. It matters the conditions fighters are in, when they face foes. Whitaker was so far past his best against Felix, yet your reference this as a point to support your conclusion that "Pea could be out boxed". That is terrible evidence to use to support that conclusion. Same with the Wrinky Wright example, same thing. Only that was worse, as Winky always had a style to trouble Felix, which brings up the old adage, styles make fights. It matters, and matters a lot. Just because Winky could do that, doesn't mean a guy who fights nothing like Winky could. So because Ferguson beats Douglas, and Douglas beat Tyson, that means Ferguson is the best out of the lot? Of course not. Totally different fights and conditions the fighters were in at the time of the fights. These things matter.

 

As many informed posters have said Whitaker is stylistic disaster for the slow footed Arguello. But no one shuts out a prime or close to prime Arguello. I'd say Whitaker in a split/majority dec.

 

I never claimed that the results would have been the same had both been in their prime. Neither am I claiming that age isn't a factor. Of course it is. But you yourself are saying that Trinidad was also past his prime so that should have evened things out. Had Trinidad been in his prime then your argument would hold water.

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But please note, that no one has as yet been able to beat Mayweather Junior even though he is far past his prime. He even beat Canelo who was far younger and in his prime. Just recently BH who was far passed his prime beat a world champ in his prime. So it doesn't necessarily follow.

 

Huh? Trinidad was smack dab in his prime against Whitaker. That is what makes that example useless. He was prime, Whitaker was far removed from his prime. The opposite was the case when Winky beat him... Felix was past his best. My only point in this discussion is that the examples you used aren't good ones, which it seems you also agree. So I guess, we're on the same page?

The other huge difference with your Money May example... Whitaker, while past his best was taking on a Prime Oscar and a Prime Felix. Money May hasn't come close to fighting anybody of that caliber while past his best. Not close. So while it's impressive he's remained unbeaten, that is largely due to the competition he's handpicked to face.

 

Just not sure how this is split decision type of scenario. Are we using the Chavez refs is this fight?

 

Yeah, that's pretty much the only way.