Alexis Arguello: Where P4P?

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Was Arguello overrated?

  1. Alexis. A was overrated

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  2. Arguello was an all-time great

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  3. Alexis was a weight bully

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  1. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I claimed it was the best & most well researched all time p4p list I've seen, which having read the whole thread, it is, imo.

    I did not claim it's the best list that I've seen and that you'd be able to follow the evolution of, and understand the criteria for, at an immediate glance.

    I understand the logic of putting greater faith in a list equally contributed to by multiple people rather than by an individual who consulted others, and all other factors being equal, i.e. assuming those multiple people were all working to a consistent criteria and had equal to or greater knowledge than the individual and those he consulted, I'd normally agree.

    However, and one of the last things in the world I'd ever want to be is a sycophant, so I really wanted to avoid saying this, but to my knowledge I've not seen an all time P4P list compiled by people with equal or greater knowledge of the careers of the fighters in question, than that of Matt McGrain, supported by the input of multiple extremely knowledge boxing historians that posted on that 245-page thread. I could be wrong, I'm just not aware of it if I am.

    If there is an all time P4P list you'd like to cite as being compiled by a group of people whose combined knowledge of boxing history is greater than Matt's, and the other contributors to that thread, then please do so. I love reading well researched lists supported by detailed rationale, so I'd genuinely be open minded and very interested, if you do.

    You may be interested in the combined ranking of 24 x posters from this Classic Forum here -
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    - Arguello is #34 on that list, which seems perfectly reasonable to me.

    The rankings that you'll see in this video are also, in the main, pretty decent, imo. However, for e.g. having Tyson ahead of Terry McGovern & Packey McFarland is indicative of - 1) Possibly a couple of Tyson fan boys skewing the votes; 2) Possibly inconsistent criteria being applied by the 24 x voters - e.g. claiming Tyson was P4P H2H the 29th best boxer of all time may be justifiable, even if you disagree, but claiming he has the 29th greatest career based on his resume most certainly isn't; and 3) A decent proportion of the 24 x voters not being very knowledgeable on the careers of McGovern & McFarland - which is why (or at least the underlying concept partly explains why) I still think the list I originally posted a link to is the best & most well researched I've seen, imo.

    In your opinion, is Matt's list or the list voted by 24 x Classic posters the best, in terms of being derived from a level of research giving the list maker(s) the highest amount of knowledge?
     
  2. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Glad to see this poll is (correctly) 25-0 so far.
     
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  3. Mark Anthony

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    How the hell was Hearns build a disadvantage when he was more powerful than anybody ay welter and could land that right hand from a safe distance?
     
  4. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    Tommy`s reach and jab gave him a huge advantage.
     
  5. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    Tommy was less effective at the higher weights despite winning two light heavy titles, he was far more dominant at 147 as his losses to Barkley proved.
     
  6. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    About Mathew Fouts // He grew up in San Jose, California and has been obsessed with understanding fight strategy since he was a kid. Presently, he works in biotech by day and train and does film-study by night.
     
  7. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    I`m not a troll, people think I`m thick because I think Fouts has a lot of boxing knowledge but anyone who has been on this forum for 4 years or more can tell you I always defend Fouts and love his vids.
     
  8. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    Duran was out of shape are you one of those dumb MMA fans who believes in "walk around" weight? the only time walk around weight means anything is when a tall fighter naturally fills out without draining himself down to a smaller weight, overeating is not a natural size, nobody Duran`s height should weigh 200lbs, that`s insane!
     
  9. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    Duran was a natural lightweight and simply too small to fight Hearns.
     
  10. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Mollywhopper Full Member

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    Arguello fighting someone his own height would struggle, do you understand that?
     
  11. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What are you basing this opinion on?
     
  12. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    You guys reckon Olivares is above or below Arguello in terms of P4P greatness?
     
  13. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I said build, not frame.

    Skinny legs, core muscles and neck contributed a to punch resistance that was inferior, for example, to that of Hagler's and SRL's.
     
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  14. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How do you think Arguello would do vs Panama Al Brown, who was taller than him?
     
  15. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Translation: Mathew Fouts DKSAB and runs his mouth online from an armchair, calling himself the best striking coach on the planet despite having never fought anyone in the squared circle or trained anyone of note. He makes content where he slanders the names of deceased ATGs like Arguello and Sanchez since they don't conform to his narrow-minded view of what constitutes 'proper boxing'.
     
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