Ali’s relationship with those before him?

Louis was the one that said "he would put Ali in his "Bum of the Month Club"...which was pretty funny at the time.

 

Louis’s legacy infringed on Ali’s claim to the GOAT throne, so he would poke at him. But Ali revered Joe Louis.

 

Honestly, it just sounds like another attempt to paint Ali as this great loveable character that everyone couldn't possibly dislike. You admit that Patterson hardly had a kind word to say about Ali and Ali in particular was pretty nasty to Floyd yet you try to excuse it by saying it was only to build up their fights and before and after the fights, they had many friendly with each other. Really? what many friendly moments do you really remember seeing? Its the same though to a lesser extent with the others because they were of a far older boxing generations, unlike Floyd and so not much interaction.

Anyway the point is people don't always have to make excuses if some other boxers, ATG's or otherwise, disliked Ali or didn't think much of him as a fighter or as a person and Vise versa. You don't have to say they really were friendly or often joked with each other or really respected each other despite what nasty and disrespectful things they really say to each other.

Just my opinion.

 

If anyone should of been put up on a pedastol and treated with respect it was/is Joe Louis. Ali was a kid at the time. Joe Louis had to eat some **** and keep going. Even if Joe picks Floyd Patterson or whatever Ali should have took that and kept it moving.
Joe Louis I would imagine had some envy seeing and hearing Ali talk so much ****. Louis was every bit as cocly and fearless as Ali. He had to agree to certain rules that we're beyond basics..and degrading so he wouldnt upset anyone too much.

The promoters bring in guys like Joe Louis to discuss the upcoming bout. He is told to pick the underdog. I wouldnt take any of Louis's predictions too literal.

 

I could be wrong, but I believe Ali himself stated that he carried Patterson in one of their fights out of total respect.

 

A lot of it with them just seemed like banter.

 

I didn't think Marciano was that critical, atleast the video I saw. Just the sort of caveats with being a new champion who hadn't entirely proven himself.

There's video of Ali being very complimentary to Rocky, but it was after he died, and Ali didn't want to disrespect the dead.

 

All great fighters respect each other as fighters but that’s not the same as respecting each other as a person. There is a difference between the two and I was just trying to point this out.

 

I remember reading just the opposite that he carried him to punish him like Terrell over calling him Clay if memory serves me correct.

 

You know...geez, I think I read that too, a long while back.

To me it looks like Ali carried Patterson in both fights. I didn't see as much as of that mean, vicious look in Ali's eyes the way I did in most of his other fights. I think he might have carried Bob Foster some as well.

 

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