Ali (1 thru 61; Hunsaker thru Berbick)

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali didn't use his right, though. Was saving the hand for the rematch with Frazier.
     
  2. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good to know somebody else was watching.

    Lubbers also boxed rather defensively, so he didn't provide Ali with much in the way of opportunities. Ali was capable of doing damage with his hook at this point, and used it to score knockdowns on Bob Foster less than a year earlier, so it's not as if Muhammad's right was his only weapon of power, certainly against a natural LHW like Lubbers. Ali boxed sensibly, and did what was necessary to win cleanly. (He had to be having flashbacks to Bugner I, Chuvalo II and Mac Foster though.)
     
  3. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The #60 Holmes rating, is because Ali was in-shape at 216 lbs.
    He really went into training, and had a plan to win.
    Though he failed miserably.

    The #61 Berbick fight he was over 230 lbs., and it was a 'money' only fight.

    Trevor Berbick took it easy on him, and let him stay somewhat competitive.
     
  4. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    EGGO,

    On the Jimmy Young fight.
    While all of the American Television viewers on ABC-TV and Howard Cosell are
    watching one fight.
    The '3' blind hacks are watching something else.

    Even Ken Norton, got up from the announcer/commentator section after
    Round 10, and went to Ali's corner to encourage Muhammad Ali.

    Judge Idiot; Tom Kelly
    After scoring Round 1 even,
    he gave Ali the next 9 Rounds (Rounds 2 thru 10).

    Like I said, he gave (not scored) the rounds for Ali.

    Round 9;
    Clearly Jimmy Youngs round, as he lands the 4 hardest punches in the round.
    Ali dances and flicks and misses, and misses and misses,
    Even flails at Young with a right, and misses badly.
    Young laughs at him. Ali looks pathetic.

    All '3' clowns scored it for Ali.
    Must have been the suites that Herbert Muhammad got them and their families before the bout, at the
    Biltmore Hotel.
     
  5. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    The old Willie Pep won a round without landing a punch is no myth when it came to Ali. He must have done this a fair few times- I think it was Patterson I were here definitely did. It must have happened a few times in the Young fight. :lol:


    ps. Anyone who scored Ali a winner over Berbick want to show their cards? I could do with a New Year's guffaw. :!:
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What's you take on Ali's perfomance against Berbick (not the score, just the perfomance)?
     
  7. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i know brian london is not a legendary figure amongst the heavyweight elite but he was mesmerized by ali's speed.after the fight london said something like " what the **** was that "
     
  8. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Well, it was impressive next to the Holmes fight, but I fail to see where he scored well enough to win many rounds. There were many times Berbick was wide-open by Ali couldn't capitalise any longer, he looked an old 39 too. The times he did score well was when he threw some punches, followed by him holding Trevor, which was a decent spolier tactic but was hardly winning a great deal of rounds. Berbick looked like he didn't really want to hurt Ali too. But he won this convincingly (for what that's worth. It's a bit like Pat Lawlor saying he beat Duran and Benitez) :yep
     
  9. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Trevor Berbick was paid extra money by Herbert Muhammad to hold off on hurting
    Muhammad Ali.

    If Berbick could have gome all-out, he would have stopped Ali.
    In training for this bout, Ali was sparring with amateur middleweights.

    It was just,,,,,what was it,,,,,,,a $1,500,000 going away gift.

    The judges scoring;
    6-3-1,,,Berbick
    6-1-3,,,Berbick
    6-1-3,,,Berbick

    Who the hell thought Muhammad Ali won,,,,,,,,,,
    If Ali had gotten that decision,,,,,,,every boxing writer in the world would claim FIX.
     
  10. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jat,,
    The Alex Miteff fight was not really an impressive performance.

    Ranked #47 out of 61 on the 'performance-meter'.

    Cassius Clay was OK,,,,,,,but Pablo Alexis Antonio Miteff, hung with him for 6 Rounds.
    After 5 Rounds, the fight scorecard was (3-2-0) for Alex Miteff.
    Some even thought,,,,, possibly 4-1-0 for Alex Miteff.
    He shook Clay in Round 2, with a beautiful right hand.
    Miteff landed a couple of good body shots that hurt Clay, in Round 3.
    Even wobbled him.

    Alex Miteff was a little bigger than Clay, 210 lbs. to 188 lbs., and out-muscled him
    in Rounds 1 thru 5.

    Miteff was 25-10-1 (14 KO's) going into the fight.
    He was 2-5-0, in his last 7-fights.
    The 6' 1" 26 year-old was from Argentina.

    He had been Ranked as high as #7 in 1960.

    His last bout before the Cassius Clay fight.
    He knocked out James McCarter (9-3-1). Sonny Listons sparring partner.
    Before that, he lost 3 in a row.

    He went down in Round 6, from a right-left, that didn't look particularly hard.
    He got up, but Referee Don Asbury (Lousisville) called a halt at 1:45 of the Round.
    Cassius Clay predicted a 6th Round Knock-out for the Lousiville bout.
     
  11. Claus Holmen

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    Can´t understand why anyone can rate his performance in Frazier 1 as great. He was bad in that fight. Out of shape and with no solotion on how to handle Fraziers aggression. It was a fight he took at least half a year to early.
    He was a poetry in motion when brutaly KOíng Williams and he was brave, clever and wonderful beating Foreman.
    The Holmes match was a disaster. But while he was a competetive heavyweight I´ll rate the Bonavena fight and the Doug Jones fights as his worst.
     
  12. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Claus,

    Ali looked fantastic in his comeback with Jerry Quarry, earlier.

    Oscar Bonavena was just flat out tough, who was not intimidated by Ali.
    And, he got under Ali's skin with the 'Beep' 'Beep' chicken stuff.
    Which rightfully so, was warranted.

    Joe Frazier, took Ali's heart away in Round 3.
    Ali still fought a good fight, against a 'much-better' fighter.
     
  13. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    weren't there a lack of proper boxing gloves for that fight as well and they had to use hard as rocks, half horse hair gloves instead?
     
  14. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats what was reported,,,,,,,,,,,,
    But personally, I don't believe anything that was said concerning Cassius Clay's fights back then,,,,,,,,

    Way too many things going on with the Louisville Sport Group.
     
  15. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    hmmm, you think there were shennanigans afoot? :think i think he did certainly get the olympic star treatment but is there evidence of something a little more sinister?