Ali 1967 vs Frazier 1967, who wins?

Ali win atleast 9 rounds so UD Ali.

 

Ali 9-6 or 10-5. Ali has better speed, stamina, timing, movement and it would make the difference in outboxing and keeping Joe at bay.

If Ali underestimates Frazier and fights the wrong fight he would win the inevitable rematches

I'm not sure why Ali gets little credit for making adjustments and getting 2 revenge wins over Joe. People just seem to write Joe off as shot when Ali was older, had fought more fights, had slowed himself. Guess what Alis physical prime declined from 71-75 he had to make adustments to get those 2 wins from a Frazier who hated his guts

 

Frazier was probably to green as of yet in 67. I would make 67 Ali a pretty clear favourite against any version of Frazier, and Frazier was probably a little way from his absolute prime in 67. Ali in the rematch (74) was the closest version of him in 67 IMO, but in 67 he was a wee bit faster (at least on his feet) and had better stamina. There would be less clinching and holding if they met in 67, but Frazier would still pressure Ali and make a good fight out of it. Ali would definitely taste that left hook on occassion. His ribs and hips would be sore as well afterwards. But I'd give him a UD. 10-5, 11-4 or 9-6 depending on how high aggressivenes would score.

 

That was peak Ali and he wins an exciting but clear decision. Frazier would make a name for himself, though (well as a gold medal winner he already had a name, but you know what I mean). As others have said, rematches galore.

 

ali pounds out a decision win over frazier at that time,ali was in his prime frazier still learning at that point

 

Ali wide decision against a green Frazier who nearly lost to Bonavena.:good

 

Ali was at his best then. I think he would win. Frazier would give up rounds to good boxers until he wore then down. An example would be Buster Mathis , who was up on points until round 7.

 

Based on what?

 

I think Ali wins inside the distance. The 1967 Ali was the premier HW of alltime in my humble opinion. The only thing he lacked was huge one-punch power. He had surgical precision in the Williams and Folley fights. Frazier was great too but at that time Ali was a ring genius with otherwordly skills to go along with it.

Ali KO 9 Frazier

 

Frazier hadn't even fought Quarry yet,,,,wasn't ready for Ali.



1968-03-04 204½ Buster Mathis[/U] 245 23-0-0
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 11 15
~ time: 2:33 | referee: Arthur Mercante 5-5 | judge: Jack Gordon 6-4 | judge: Tony Castellano 7-2 ~
~ vacant NYSAC World heavyweight title ~
Recognized as World Heavyweight tile fight also in IL, PA, ME, and MA

1967-12-18 210 Marion Connor 180 26-9-1
Boston Garden, Boston, Massachusetts, United States W TKO 3 10
~ time: 1:40 | referee: Bill Connelly ~
Bout was stopped after Connor rose from a knockdown.

1967-10-17 204 Tony Doyle 197½ 18-4-1
Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W TKO 2 10
~ time: 1:04 | referee: Zach Clayton ~
First main event held at the brand new Spectrum.

1967-07-19 204½ George Chuvalo 217¼ 47-13-2
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 4 10
~ time: 0:16 | referee: Johnny Colan ~

1967-05-04 203 George Scrap Iron Johnson 211 10-16-4
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W UD 10 10
~ referee: Lee Grossman 7-3 | judge: Joey Almos 7-2 | judge: Larry Rozadilla 10-0 ~

1967-04-11 207 Jefferson Davis 205½ 29-11-1
Auditorium, Miami Beach, Florida, United States W KO 5 10
1967-02-21 205 Doug Jones 188 29-8-1
Arena, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States W KO 6 10
~ time: 2:28 ~
Gate: $46,432, according to wire reports, was the largest gate in the 47 year history of the Arena.

1966-11-21 205 Eddie Machen

1966-09-21 203½ Oscar Natalio Bonavena

 

Ali by decision.

 

Frazier entered his prime in 1967 when he looked incredible shattering ranked contender george chuvalos cheek bone stopping him for the first time in his career. Frazier was not the green frazier anymore by 1967, he was really coming into his own then.


Ali Close split decision over frazier......People underestimate just how good frazier was at his best. I mean he kicked ali's ass in 1971, won at least 9 of the 15 rounds. Alis speed mobility were better in 1967 and I favor him slightly, but frazier holds the stylistic edge

 

i don't under estimate frazier but in 1967 he wasn't going to beat ali,i lived through that era ali dominated.

 

As i recall in the ring Magazine reporting the Ali v Folly fight, an accompanying article was " Frazier Wants Ali ..But Trainer Duraham says Whoa..." Yank himself felt that Frazier still had quite some improving to do, Joe had not that long previously been led something of a dance by Eddie Machen, Yank may also of felt the storm clouds gatering around Ali and felt no harm would be done by letting the situation simmer some.