Ali 1974 vs Joshua of today, who wins?

If you think people in here are stuck in time because they pick top versions of Ali over Joshua there's really not much to say.

 

The thread topic is Ali tho and he's on 85% of the vote. Common sense isn't the phrase you are looking for.

I see you said about Joshua earlier "he has pretty good stamina and he can go full power for at least 12 rounds in my opinion". Common sense tells me this is incredibly unlikely.

Out of interest how would you see the following -

GGG vs Monzon
Kovalev vs Foster
Pac vs Duran at 135
Crawford vs SRR
Ricondeaux vs Wilfredo Gomez

 

This is Ali's own take on which version of him was the best (from 8:25 to 10:30):

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I can't see Ali rope-adoping Joshua. The best chance he has is to utilize his speed and work rate. And they were at their best pre exile.

 

I don't think Ali would need to rope-a-dope Joshua. I doubt Joshua would be throwing the sort of assault that Foreman did and, if Joshua attempted to, it would probably be at his own peril, I feel.

 

I remember being a kid and listening to the old man talk bout what ali went through with foreman to get the win. It weren't nothing compared to frazier fights also Norton too. He was clearly in control all the way through with Foreman

 

Ali in the 60's would not beat 1974 Foreman ....he just wouldn't !

Theres literally nothing Ali could do that he wouldnt be able but to have to wait until foreman tired out to win.(the same applies to Joshua ,EXCEPT Joshua doesnt fight stupid hes very mythodical/aggression fighter).....again WATCH the ACTUAL fights in the 60's and tell me that guy defeats Foreman? lol

At the end of this vid,he even states he will use more strength and power than before so im not sure what you are talking about? You want to make this EASY just WATCH the quarry fight ONE 1971...interview AFTER that fight....not when hes talking here AFTER he defeatted foreman in 74..lol


Ali of the 60's isnt going to RUN anywhere vs a guy of Joshuas size and skills. Ali of 1970's could at least more chance to survive with harder punches he WILL get hit by eiither way no matter how much he weighed. come on this is common sense man....lol

 

Your common sense is wrong. Again you "size kings" get so caught up the on size of a fighter you completely miss if that fighter can actually fight. You equate power with size, yet some of the biggest and heaviest men in the history of the game, were light punchers. Punching power is timing, speed, leverage, and technique. Not just because the fighter weighs a certain weight. A fighter that can't go a hard 5rds, telegraph almost every punch he uses its even obvious on tv, wouldn't defeat an Ali, or any top ten caliber fighter from 1965 to 2000. Joshua, Wilder, Fury and other "championship caliber" fighters in this era are basically big armatures fighting smaller amateurs and no hopers and still are struggling in fights with them. Sorry, these fighters today just don't pass the eye test. And I've seen all of them. If boxing was a body building contest,the fighters of yesteryear wouldn't stand a chance. But in a boxing ring their chances are much better then average.

 

So where is it ignorant at? It's my opinion based on the lack of skills (in my opnion) I see today. But unlike you who obviously relate a mans size to greatness, or it makes him capable of defeating all heavys in history, I simply don't agree. And I gave my opinions why I feel that way. Throwing out insults makes me believe you can't argue your opinion. Thus you hide behind insults. Any Idiot can do that.

 

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Galv gets the nod as the most ignorant poster of the week.

Never heard such complete uneducated garbage in all of my life. You can always tell the 20 year old posters who point to size when it's the last thing to consider.

 

Again Galv has no idea what he is talking about.

First Ali weighed in for his third bout with Frazier FIVE days before the bout took place. His weight was around 220 by fight time. Post exile Ali also came into the ring in some fights less than top shape. If you choose the best Ali weights they are little different vs pre exile Ali weights AT HIS BEST.

The best Ali we saw was during his first championship reign during the 60's. He was in his closest to prime condition and had not lost his middleweight level speed. No athlete stops performing for four years and comes back better than he was.
This is why Ali had to rely on gimmick tactics such as ropeadope.

Ali would not lose a minute in the ring with muscle bound Joshua. Greatest of all hwts vs an unproven contender who does not even have the stamina to fight 15 rounds.

 

I wonder what Joshua would say, today, if someone was bold enough to ask him whether or not he'd have beaten the Ali of 'The Rumble in the Jungle'...

 

A good break-down of the Rumble in the Jungle:

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Very nice.

 

I'm not relating a mans size to greatness, if you would ask me who would win in a fight between Muhammad Ali
and Valuev who was 7ft tall, i would definitely put Ali as the favorite.

What you guys don't understand is that Anthony Joshua would not have only huge physical advantages, he has
actual skills, i'm not biased against old fighters, you can see my post where i have put every older fighter as a
favorite against every current fighter in the smaller divisions.

I try to make a prediction on physical preconditions in combination with skills and fighting style and a 40 pound weight advantage with a 3 inch height advantage is a major factor when both fighters are on elite level.

Anthony Joshua has a great skillset for a man of his size and it is no joke to get in the ring with someone like
that, Muhammad Ali would have huge problems against him and as i said, i'm a fan of Muhammad Ali but i
can't see him beating Anthony Joshua.

I would put Ali as the favorite against any current cruiserweight, he should be compared with cruiserweights and
not with modern super heavyweights.

You can see that in the history of the sport, Bob Foster for example was a beast in the light heavyweight division
but he lost his fights when he tried to fight at heavyweight, you can't tell me that weight makes no difference.