Ali 1974 vs Joshua of today, who wins?

We weren't talking about whether A.J. was worthy of his championship, he was good enough to climb off the deck after getting blasted by a former champ who was at least 6 years past any semblance of his prime. We are talking about matching him up after 19 fights with what is universally recognized as the greatest heavyweight champion of all time. He wouldn't have a chance

 

AJ won't see the stinging rights fast enough to react to them.

 

I know what the subject of the thread is, I think I posted in this thread about 5 times. I asked the questions in that post because you seem dismissive of Joshua even after such a stunning victory against a very credible opponen. Only a slight de-rail and you could have indulged me in the time it took to post the reply you did.
Ali being the greatest of all time doesn't mean he beats everybody in history, it just means his feats and accomplishments are recognised as the greatest overall legacy in the sport. Joshua would of course have a chance, even if you don't tip him to win, just look at what the man who shared the ring with Wlad in Wembley showed us.

 

Ali takes AJ into deep water and drowns him, ala Foreman.

 

Ali could hurt anyone with his punching power, and he stopped all the punchers he faced!

 

I'd go with Joshua. He's too big, skilled and strong. Smart and a rule bender as well.

That Ali won by getting Foreman to tire himself out. Joshua has better smarts and stamina.

Now if were are talking a 66-67' Ali, its a different story.

 

Or Joshua lights Ali up and smokes him, ala Cornish.




(you god damn motherfckn baby boomer pos!)

 

ali shows joshua what it means to be atg by stoppage.

 

u think joshua beat atg performance ali, arguably best performance in hw history ali, becasue he beat up a 41 year old man with a struggle.

ha. thats all that needs be said.

 

Joshua a low skilled lumbering hwt without champion distance stamina is NOT beating Ali. Ali feasted off of this type fighter. They cannot cope with the Ali speed. Ali at that time period was hitting harder than any time in his career. His chronic hand issues had cleared up nicely. The few posters who never lived through the Ali era who believe Joshua has any chance reveal their significant inadequacies.

 

Ali fought Foreman the way he did because of the conditions he faced that night in Zaire.

Heavily padded canvas making side to side movement exhausting.

Small ring.

An opponent who cut the ring like no other.

Take away these conditions and Ali would have moved and boxed all night for the win.

 

but but but hes got more MUSCLE than ali, so he MUST be a better boxer!

 

Untrue McVey. He appeared winded after one round vs Foreman mainly because of that small ring and very heavily padded canvas. Just the year before he beat Norton and Frazier with constant boxing, movement. In 74 he certainly was capable of a similar performance just not under those conditions.

 

Ali wins this - in a relatively routine night's work.

I like Joshua. He's a great competitor with immense amounts of potential but his recent credibility boost, from the WK win, needs to be kept in perspective.

He showed us that he has courage; that he can recover from exertion; muster some power in the latter rounds and that he has a will to win, in tough, tough circumstances.

He also showed us a tentative workrate and a virtual 'punch-still' after throwing a rally.


To put this into perspective, Foreman threw almost 60 punches a round at Ali (almost exclusively power punches) for close to a full eight rounds. Ali ate them up and then turned the tables.

OK - Foreman wasn't exactly trying to box Ali but then, anyone who did, was beat with relative ease. I see Joshua being decisioned in a 12-round shutout. Think Ali/Bugner but with greater dominance by Ali.