Ali 1974 vs Joshua of today, who wins?

Very deceptive. Ali as champion in the 1960's was not a 205 pound hwt. Check your numbers if you can perform simple math.

You REALLY have no idea what you are talking about. Weight and size in the hwt division is meaningless in terms of whether a fighter can hurt another. Well placed well delivered blows can hurt any hwt regardless of weight.

JC man at least TRY to know something of what you are writing about.

 

check your numbers he averaged between 205/210.Would you like me to RE Post my Ali fight per fight weights????

Weights not the argument,its a match up of a sub 210 guy vs a 240 plus one isnt it???? If weight isnt a factor then why has ali only knocked out guys who mostly are below 215 pounds? Why does EVERY boxers k.o ratio go down the heavier his opponents get on average if it doesnt effect how you could hurt a fighter( i guess weight classes are a myth?) ? You sure you want to get me going here??? lmao

 

When will the forum move on from the endless 'he couldn't beat him because the heavyweights of today are too big' arguments?

 

Ali can beat him with his speed and skill but if that doesnt convince you because of the size difference then answer me this. Ali fought 15 round wars, how is AJ not gonna gas within 5 rounds?

 

Good point. Futch said he tightened up against punchers, and I think he was right.

 

It's an intriguing thought of an Ali born in the late 80's against Joshua. Going by how much the average height increased during this time Ali should be about 195 cm (6'5) and probably around 230-235 lbs. So he'd give up size, but not as massive amounts. He would also probably be tighter in his style, since he'd not have the size advantage he had in the 60's and he'd be facing heavier punchers. With his natural talent he could fight just about any which way, so adapting somewhat likely wouldn't be much of a problem.

This, I feel, would be a tremendous fighter also in today's scene. And, in a way, even more fascinating than the original version.

 

Ali scaled low for the second Liston fight because he had hernia surgery. Even taking that fight into consideration if you look at his weights from Liston 1 to his final bout before his exile he is scaling over 210.

Meaningless as boxing is a skill sport. Joshua would look like a muscle bound pro wrestler in ultra slow motion in the ring with Ali. A one sided thrashing of epic proportions. No contest amateur vs a pro. As mentioned learn something about the subject matter. Your posts scream out like some 20 year old with no conception of boxing history.

 

In his three final fights pre exile he scaled 212, and that was his weight also when in top shape in the early 70's. Obviously he thought that weight struck a very good balance for him.

But as far back as 1966 Ali carried no extra flab when he weighed in at 214,5 for Chuvalo. Seeing how his walking around weight in the 60's was anywhere between 225 (when starting camp for Chuvalo) and 240 (when starting the first camp for the Liston rematch - but this was after he'd taken some time off after winning the title), he probably wasn't flabby even up toward 220. Ali was a big guy.

 

Ali, like all the great past hwt boxing champions who trained themselves to fight the championship distance, trained down considerably. Roadwork was a main staple of past greats who had to contend potentially with 15 plus rounds. Today's hwts after 5 rounds at prime Ali's pace would be utterly exhausted as well as beaten to a pulp.

 

I think most would name his performances against Liston, Patterson, Williams and Terrell as his best in the 60's. His average weight in those four was 211. And I think most would name his performances against Frazier (1 and 2), Norton (2) and Foreman as his best in the 70's. His average weight in these fights was 214. So that's about a 1,5% weight increase. Nothing to write home about really. The main difference was that he was faster and had better stamina in the 60's.

 

You are young and very inexperienced. Ali easily beats Joshua. It's no contest vs Ali at his best. Joshua does not have the speed nor the skills nor the stamina to handle Ali.

Just for your education when those rate Ali as the greatest hwt champion it's always PRIME Ali that is considered. Prime Ali was not the Ali who fought after a four year layoff.

 

Ali was 211 pounds in his last fight in the 60's. He came back at 213 and the fight after that he weighed 212..then 215...after that 227..then 220 ..then...221...then.. 214...then..216...then.. 217..then...218....then....221......then 217...then...221...then...217...then...212 ( Frazier 2 )...... then.....216 ( Foreman)...then...223...then...224...then 224 (Lyle)...then 224 (Frazier 3)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1975!

I stopped at 1975 because he is not relevant really after his 3rd Frazier fight. In almost all his fights he weighs over 215 pounds and some over 220. Ali began his career at around 190 pounds.Ali was not built as a big strong guy ,he was lanky made to fight light on his feet because he did not possess punching power even in his time. The FIRST time he weighed in at over 200 was his 16th fight against Moore he was 205. The first time he made 210 was his 20th fight against Liston,he comes in 206 for the rematch. In his 27th fight he came in at 212. He fought Mildenberger at 204 and Patterson at 210.


Ali only had a few fights in the 1960's over 210 pounds. Why did he lose the footwork? Well look at the numbers i just posted ...he went from averaging about close to 205 pounds to averaging close to 220 pounds in the 1970's.Age would also have played a part as he had alot of mileage on him ,but even in his younger years had he been bigger than 215 he is not going to move around the ring as much. This is simply logic that he would have been a heavier body no matter what training he did.


On the training i had post saved where an interviewer had followed Ali all the time he had been out of boxing and said he trained hard every day. Regardless of that,the reason why Ali lost some footwork and did less moving was the weight itself not because he let himself go. Anyone who knows boxing or fought would know a 6'3 guy who doesnt even weigh over or near 210 is going to move much easier,than a guy whos closer or over to 220 if they have the same ability.

He also fought better fighter in the 1970's ,putting on the weight either intentionally or just because he grew into a bigger guy gave him better inside control and harder punching,he was not the slow lummox sports historians try and make him out to be, he was just a HW fighter not the sub 205/210 guy everyone was used to watching.

Ali in the 70's took a better punch/better ring IQ/better punching/more confidence...etc...this is common sense if we are comparing an actual more EFFECTIVE fighter.

Again LOOK at the guys he fought in both eras...this is dumb...lol

 

The funny ironic thing is the guy has a avi showcasing a watch,but he doesn't know what time it is!

 

He is not the only one, many older boxing fans are stuck in time, i think most of them don't even watch modern
boxing and put always the older fighter as a favorite out of principle.

 

Hopefully my last post educates some ppl on here...though i doubt it. they are not interested in real life scenerios,they are more interested in false concepts . imagine a guy ( whoever it is) with little power closer to 205 than what he became closer to 220 later on ( in his ALLEDGED 60's prime ) trying to get a win on Joshua? Ridiculous.....lol