Ali after comeback

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  1. lefe

    lefe Active Member Full Member

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    What evidence?He grabed Frazier all fight.Yes he hurt Frazier but didn't dropped him.Bonavena knocked down Frazier and he came back.Frazier was never same fighter after first fight with Ali.Frazier in his prime would be always nightmare for Ali.Ali was great but he was not unbeatable.
     
  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Frazier was definitely hurt by that punch,and Tony Perez heard bells ! Hard to say what would have happened if Ali could have followed through straight away.
     
  3. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the rematch with Norton, Ali was easily outboxing Norton for the first four or five rounds. It wasn't until Ali started to tire and slowed down that the fight became close. Norton started cornering him and landing punches. But the first five rounds or so, Ali fought like the 1967 Ali; he just couldn't keep it up. If that were a prime '67 Ali, he would have been able to keep that pace up for most of the fight. I think a prime Ali beats Norton rather easily. I think he'd beat Frazier rather easily as well.
     
  4. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    I would have to agree wholeheartedly with every word.

    Ali was still improving at the beginning of his exile. By the end of it, he was waning. Pity we never got to see a non-exiled 1969-70 Ali.
     
  5. Danmann

    Danmann Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He was not that different, and there was no 15% loss of speed. He had trained all the time, and stayed in shape. Layoff was excuse for his losses when competition got tougher.
     
  6. Stevie G

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    A 1967 Ali would beat both men convincingly,but not easily. They would have figured as his toughest ever opponents.
     
  7. groove

    groove Well-Known Member Full Member

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  8. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    'He was not that different, and there was no 15% loss of speed. He had trained all the time, and stayed in shape. Layoff was excuse for his losses when competition got tougher.'

    There was a clear drop in foot speed and a different fighting style imo. (My thoughts about muscle mass came from trying to explain the loss of speed). If he did train through out the ban then I don't understand the loss of speed, was he a smoker? i have never seen photos of him smoking. maybe he didn't like straight cardio exercise?
     
  9. groove

    groove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he wasn't doing much training compared to when he was fighting. he was banned from boxing and had to find another way to make a living. travelling around giving speeches and doing plays buck white etc. see the size of him in the marciano computer thingy.to be at the top of your game you gotta be training daily and sparring continuous which he wasn't doing. 1970 he started training hard again to get back in fighting shape and he was surprised how tired he was feeling after only doing 3 rounds compared to before exile.

    george best was another who retired and took a few years out of top competitive football at only 26 and when he came back could never get back to nowhere near his best. hamed and hatton took a few years out and tried to come back - they never did - it's not easy to take years out of a daily training habit your body is used to and then try to come back years later. many cases like this has proved it to be so.
     
  10. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Muhammad said once,that the second Jerry Quarry fight in 1972,was when he had finally fought his way back into shape.