Ali against Doug Jones - 188 pound fighter gives Ali tough time.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Black2023, Jul 16, 2011.


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  1. Black2023

    Black2023 Guest

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    Heavyweights of today get a hard time...but a cold analysis of the past offers interesting insight.
     
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  2. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks, I've never seen this fight.

    And yes, the past is overrated.
     
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  3. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was at the fight, B. Thought Jones beat Clay to the punch, and landed enough flush lead rights to earn the nod.
     
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  4. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    So what? Ali beat more good/great Heavyweights than any other man in history.

    James Tillis gave Tyson a good fight, Lewis was ko'd twice by lesser fighters. Would you have guessed Holyfield would be a legendary Heavyweight after a 190 lb Qawi fought him to a standstill?

    In what way does picking one of a fighters worst performances and judging him on it provide a "cold analysis"?
     
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  5. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    excatly

    lewis looked like **** vs mercer, most thought he lost

    mercer looked like **** vs marion wilson- most thought he lost

    tubbs gave bowe a great fght, most thought tubbs won

    lewis looked very ordinary against z mavorik (or whatever and whoever he was) but looked awesome vs ruddock

    bert cooper quit on his stool in round 2 vs 40 year old george foreman in 1989
    bert cooper goes to war vs mercer and and holyfield in his next few fights

    not sure what the point of the thread starter is....:huh
     
    iceman71, Jul 16, 2011
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  6. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Yes, let's take this fight, and disregard Ali's wins over the best fighters of his era, and judge him by it.
     
    Vidic, Jul 16, 2011
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  7. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, everybody gets a pass. Only Klitschkos are bums and would lose to everybody.
     
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  8. DanishFightfan

    DanishFightfan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Lets take Wlads fight against sanders and do the same :deal
     
    DanishFightfan, Jul 16, 2011
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  9. DanishFightfan

    DanishFightfan Boxing Junkie banned

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    The ESB critic would have been all over Ali if he fought today..
     
    DanishFightfan, Jul 16, 2011
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  10. KO-KING

    KO-KING Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    past can be over rated but Ali was and will remain the greatest HW of all time
     
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  11. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Depends what you mean by "good fight", in reality the green Tyson won 8 of 10 rounds & floored Tillis in the 4th...


    The other two judges gave bull**** hometown scores for their boy Tillis, when they very generously gifted him 4 rounds.
     
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  12. Black2023

    Black2023 Guest

    The main thing is fighters arent immune to bad performances...greatness is achieved through consistency, longevity and the variety of styles you face.

    Ali was determined enough and went on to face the best fighters of his time.


    B. Douglas of the Tyson fight for me what have beaten anything pre Liston (64) and Post Foreman (74)...but then Buster only had one great fight/ performance.....Ali had at least 10.



    Having watched Ali, and the majority of his fights id put the following as great performances.

    Liston 1
    Liston 2
    F. Patterson 1
    C. Williams
    E. Terrel
    Z. Folley
    J. Frazier 1
    J. Ellis
    K. Norton 1
    K. Norton 2
    J. Frazier 2
    G. Foreman

    In fact that is 12 performances where Ali was great.
     
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  13. PowerHoock

    PowerHoock Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ****in hypocryte. And when it comes to Wlad, you judge him based on the purity fight. **** off
     
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  14. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Here, a more experienced Tyson truly dominates Tillis in a '87 exhibition fight:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9S4ZDHcdlQ[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2pHywbVR2c[/ame]
     
    Kalasinn, Jul 16, 2011
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  15. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Name me once where I have even mentioned Purrity's name.

    I will paypal you a hundred USD if you can find me saying something in relation to Wlad and Purrty.

    Also please explain what statements I have made that are hypocrytical, or just paste them.
     
    Vidic, Jul 16, 2011
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