Ali and Usyk

Ali is bigger than Usyk. He's stronger than Usyk. He's tougher than Usyk. He hits harder than Usyk. He's faster than Usyk. His gas tank is better than Usyk.

So nah, I don't think there is a comparison.

 

They are both the same height and have the same reach.

 

Yes, but Ali is bigger.

 

You mean heavier?

 

That too.

 

Sure. Me>you. Tyson>Usyk. Ali>Usyk. Holyfield>Usyk. Haye>Usyk. AJ>Usyk. Tillis>Usyk. Moorer>Usyk. This not trolling and Usyk having success in today's HW era makes no case and has small relation to what Ali did who fought at one weight his entire career. Sorry. Roy Jones and Toney even hiked up to HW and had success. Can we add them to this argument?

 

Also Chris Byrd.^

 

Ali competed in a heavy weight era where the average size and height of the fighters were inferior to that of modern heavyweights. Also everything else you are giving me is not fact, but subjective, I already went over this. Which is why Ali was brought up, can a small heavyweight like Ali have success against the elites of Modern Heavyweights? And can the same be said of Usky? Well we wouldnt know until we have concrete evidence. Roy Jones and Tony were taking Steroidal cocktails, and were NOT considered the elites of the heavyweight division. They took on the weaker opposition.

 

Chris Byrd defeated your lounge name. Haye even marched up to HW and beat notable guys. Ali fought a guy named Foreman after his best years were taken from him. Usyk can beat some carefully matched opponents as Roy and even Toney did but he can't beat top guys especially at his current level with weight added. Just too easy a target to hit. My opinion on this subjective matter just as your subjective opinion of Usyk's IQ that you hold in such high regard. To me that's very subjective.

You even owned yourself in one of your first posts by saying old fighters are hyped as gods yet youre doing the very same thing for a professionally unproven fighter. You also do this with other guys but come here attempting to appear rational. It's okay buddy.

I'm assuming if a Byrd can beat one of the last great HW's imo, because Fury and Wilder don't cut it regardless of size, AJ has the best case out of this modern pack of fighters. Ali certainly can and has done some very great things across several eras.

It's why he's considered the GOAT for some and he has a far better case than of all people, Usyk. Please do continue to back peddle using concrete evidence in a hypothetical thread in which you gave your asinine opinion. I'm doing the same.

 

If Ali had access to modern nutrition, he'll probably be as big ass if not bigger than modern heavyweight. People who make hypothetical comparison between old vs new school fighters should take these facts into account.

 

I am not hyping Usyk up as a god, I am simply stating an opinion, but at the same time comparing fighters from different eras draws too heavily on subjectivity which I am not comfortable with at all, but if I must give an opinion I will. Chris Byrd didnt beat Vitali, Vitali beat himself, he injured himself.

I do believe Usyk can beat the elite of the heavyweights today, he has already beaten superheavy weights before prior to his pro boxing career, and is more mobile and dynamic than any superheavy weight today. But then again I need concrete evidence to sustain my opinion, for now its a mere opinion not a fact, until Usyk proves to me his abilities to take on Pro Superheavy's.

As for your argument that Ali is the GOAT, that is NOT a scientific argument at all, that is subjective, there is no science, logic, or any scientific attribute to support it. These ATG rankings are based off many things, nationality, history and hype being one of them, these arent head to head rankings, there is no knowing how fighter A can do to fighter B in any scenario. You need a crystal ball to determine any solid case of head to head encounter, until then it is asinine to consider them facts. Despite me wanting evidence, If I must give an opinion I will, but ultimately I prefer something I can see, and not something I visualize in my head.

Lol you actually think you own anybody, you dont even own a home

 

I did not say he's the GOAT. I said a reason why he's considered to some people. Carry on. This is beating a dead horse.

 

Many historians consider him the GOAT, so I assumed you think so too. Why were you beating a dead horse? That is considered animal abuse I think, even PETA has rules against beating Dead horses.

 

Yeah it shows you weren't even reading my post so yeah. Alert peta nothing is being accomplished in this conversation and a dead horse is being beaten at this point and I'm not talking about the little ponies you ride. An actual horse mirko.

 

Well at least I own a horse, you dont even own a microwave. I read your entire post, it was cringy, but then again that is your posting style. Good job for staying true to yourself