Ali/Clay vs Style

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  1. RoccoMarciano

    RoccoMarciano Blockbuster Full Member

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    Which style of fighter provided him (Clay/Ali) with the most troubles?

    Thought about doing this as a poll, but a direct response without one seemed most appropriate. Most in this section should know the different styles :)
     
  2. Woller

    Woller Active Member Full Member

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    A young Clay/Ali found it difficult to fight southpaw Karl Mildenberger. A clever, tricky southpaw could maybe have given him trouble at that time, but as nearly always Clay/Ali found a way to win.

    Woller
     
  3. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    The come-forward relentless pressure fighter, who had excellent stamina.. or excellent counter-punchers. Though a peak Ali destroys all. Including Manny Pacquiao.
     
  4. PRMETYSON3b2181

    PRMETYSON3b2181 New Member Full Member

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    Swarmers present worst style match for Ali... Is why prime vs prime I would pick tyson KO in 4
     
  5. RoccoMarciano

    RoccoMarciano Blockbuster Full Member

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    Ali has a VERY hard time beating Tyson, Dempsey, Marciano... and of course, he already proved that against Frazier. Norton wasn't of the same ilk so maybe his style deserves a closer examination as well. Wepner floored him :lol:

    He wasn't "The Greatest" against all styles, but he did handle many well - most of the ATGs do though.
     
  6. radianttwilight

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  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali was good vs the slow plodding big guys but was troubled by the shorter guys punching up and the rytym breakers like Norton,Mildenburger,Jones and barring cuts Cooper and ofcouse Joe Frazier and the left hook was also Ali's Kryptonite
     
  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Prime Ali 1964-67 would have prevailed against any of those dudes you mentioned.

    I believe he would have stopped anyone he wanted to in that era.

    Senya13 believes that Roy would have beaten Ali.

    I believe Senya is deluded. ( I'm a big Roy fan).

    However, the Roy style ( somewhat similar to Ali's) would have given him trouble.

    But nobody had that style when Ali was prime and if Roy were transported back in time to then , ROY would have been KO'D
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    Give me peak pre exile Ali and i would say Frazier and Holmes give him the most trouble, Louis too with his handspeed and punching accuracy. Lewis sheer size would be awkward too. Marciano too with relentless pressure. Having said this i would take Ali over all of them in excellent and competitive bouts.
     
  10. RoccoMarciano

    RoccoMarciano Blockbuster Full Member

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    Define that for me. Just curious.
     
  11. RoccoMarciano

    RoccoMarciano Blockbuster Full Member

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    Good post, John. Of course, I don't agree with you on everything... but you make enough sense to be respected, always have!
     
  12. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Thanks mate, this is all speculation of course, we just have to justify it as compellingly as we can. We are all jostling for position i guess.
     
  13. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    That makes two of you then.
     
  14. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It was the little, relentless, swarming infighters, particularly ones with big left hooks, who gave Ali the most trouble- Cooper, Jones, Bonavena, Frazier, Norton and Spinks(I know Ali was washed-up, but it's a stylistic principle) all fit this prototype to a considerable extent.
     
  15. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good and Spinks had 6 fights