Ali destroys the giant 1970

If I imagine these quotes in Ali and Fraizers voice, nothing odd about it at all.

Most likely they had ghostwriters transcribing their stories. Especially Ali.

 

I've read a lot of boxing autobiographies. As many as I can find. The best is actually "in this corner" by Peter heller because it is as simple as transcribed interviews. I have read this book many times and it is so funny because you are listening to real boxers not ghost writers. I had this book for years and always felt it had to be the real deal then One time on the BBC radio they actually had a series about old fighters and I swear they played part of the taped interviews from that book word for word! You could practically follow the spoken words from the book. Jack Dempsey. All of them. Some came across like a hard interview but most were great because Heller knew the back story and asked all relevant questions provoking their responses in autobiographical format.

Far too many ghost written books make fighters sound like David Niven or Quentin crisp purely for the amusement of the author after having to listen to what he considers bitter, unsophisticated old men with bad manners. But when you get the pure talk from the boxers it is wonderful. But rare.

 

Looks like a heavyweight version of Hearns.

Nowhere near as good as Hearns though.

 

I agree. Ridiculous to say this was Ali speaking.

 

Earnie Shavers talks about Merritt here:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/blog/?p=23057

 

Merritt is so overrated its ridiculous. His two best wins were over Ron Stander and Ernie Terrell. Terrell was completely shot. Stander was fat as a pig being almost 30 pounds over his best weight (which was never svelt to begin with). Ali would have slapped the best version of Merritt silly.

 

Merritt was a beast had size and power to spare. At the time he was considered to be a very dangerous opponent. Of course since a certain historian has a myopic view of things usually negative, here is the other side of the story: http://www.boxing.com/candy_slim_the_curious_mystique_of_jeff_merritt.html

 

Believe what you want to moron. That "beast" got blitzed in the first round by powderpuff puncher Henry Clark and has zero world class wins to his resume. He was a "never was." BTW I love how Mike Casey uses the same screenshot I posted on boxrec of Merritt. Kind of like when that rag of a website took my posts in relation to Ernie Vigh from Boxrec nearly word for word, screenshots and all, and posted them as theirs. Apparently they have a higher regard for my skill as a historian than you seeing as how they steal my ****. LOL.

 

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Haha knew you couldnt resist, keep showing people that you still DKSAB. Since your heartfelt apology I have taken to be nicer and take you by the hand and explain every statement you make. Enjoy.

"That "beast" got blitzed in the first round by powderpuff puncher Henry Clark"
This statement shows how you forget to add certain details, that may be relavant, you do know that in '69 Merritt beat Clark by dec. About 5 yrs later Clark dusted him, the '69 Merritt and the '74 Merritt were two different fighters. But a fine historian as yourself would know that, right? You do know, Merritt was chinny, and using drugs and not training as he should and other issues that affected his career.
has zero world class wins to his resume.
Here you are arguing the obvious, and making it seem like you know what you are talking about. Merritt was not an ATG and nobody said he was. Though he had ATG power. And that's what what people talk about, his power. That he didnt reach the heights, he had himself to blame. At the time he was coming up he was considered a good prospect and a dangerous guy, after his problems with drugs, training and such, he wasnt the same guy. Before the Terrell fight he was 21-1, 16ko's, after the Terrell fight he went 3-2-1, 3ko's. In a 3 yr period he fought only 5 times cos of problems he caused himself. So that Merritt losing to Clark was not such a big deal, everybody knew Merritt was done, if not Clark somebody else would have finished him.

BTW I love how Mike Casey uses the same screenshot I posted on boxrec of Merritt.
Here we go again, nah, nah, I have it you dont nah!! How petty,lol That site is one of the best sites for articles by writers who know their stuff. I suggest that anybody who likes well written articles, ck the site out, cos the professor of tripe is just just that full of tripe.

my posts in relation to Ernie Vigh from Boxrec nearly word for word, screenshots and all, and posted them as theirs. Apparently they have a higher regard for my skill as a historian than you seeing as how they steal my ****.
Psst prof where did you steal the the posts concerning "Vigh"? Most certainly they werent original thoughts by you, or that you saw the fight. So you did what you accuse them of doing they borrowed, just like everybody on here.

 

Clark was nothing special to begin with. So its your contention that Merritt, coming off his two best wins, was on drugs and thats his excuse for getting KO'd by Clark? Everybody looks like a beast when they are matched soft.

You can quote statistics all you want but Merritts 21 wins and 16 KOs came against incredibly soft competition in an era when the division had the deepest talent pool in its history. Go through his record and you will see that every guy he fought who could be considered close to a fringe contender took his narrow ass the distance. The vast majority of guys he beat had losing records and most of the guys he fought were coming off losses. You wouldnt know this because historians actually research and moronic trolls just ape hyperbolic statements like "hes a beast" because its vogue to pretend somebody discovered some feared HW contender that had been forgotten.

Say what you want but that site is **** and the fact that they steal other peoples work and dont credit it says it all about how seriously they take themselves. As for Vigh, you wouldnt even know his name if I gadnt mentioned it and that site wouldnt either if they hadnt stolen my post from boxrec nearly word for word. I know integrity means nothing to an uneducated pinheaded troll like you but some of us take it seriously.

 

klompton2 -Clark was nothing special to begin with. So its your contention that Merritt, coming off his two best wins, was on drugs and thats his excuse for getting KO'd by Clark? Everybody looks like a beast when they are matched soft

Ah, prof, again proving your ignorance, who said that Clark was special he was a decent journeyman who usually went rds.
Clark had loads of experience fighting a young Merritt who had 13 fights. Clark at the time was a good test for Merritt, I am surprised you dont know that.
Boy, are you you thick, in your haste to disparage another fighter you again tell us you know nothing except articles and your spins. Maybe you need to do some research on Merritt, it might enlighten you. One, Jeff Merritt, whether you admit it or not was considered a dangerous guy 2- a fighter to watch, a good prospect coming up at the time. King had him that alone should tell you something. A real historian Johnny Bos and many others thought very highly of him at the time. Being dense or just mean spirited, you should know that, I would think. And if you dont why not? Merritt was a major problem child from the get-go, the guy buried himself, throughout his career. But that's well known, you should know that, right??

You can quote statistics all you want but Merritts 21 wins and 16 KOs came against incredibly soft competition in an era when the division had the deepest talent pool in its history.

OMG, every time you post you come up with a brilliantly stupid statement. I say to myself, there's no way he can top this you come up with something even more brilliantly stupid. And you say you are a "historian" lmao. First every fighter goes through a building process, he doesnt jump in against contenders right away. Merritt had at least two tests on his way to his "21-1",
Clark, and Roy Williams. He fought decent journeyman like all young pro's coming up. This statement "incredibly soft competition in an era when the division had the deepest talent pool in its history.", shows how little you know about boxing. Merritt was coming up, the major names were beyond his reach, see how simple the truth is.

Go through his record and you will see that every guy he fought who could be considered close to a fringe contender took his narrow ass the distance. The vast majority of guys he beat had losing records and most of the guys he fought were coming off losses. You wouldnt know this because historians actually research and moronic trolls just ape hyperbolic statements like "hes a beast" because its vogue to pretend somebody discovered some feared HW contender that had been forgotten.

So, dumb, soooo dumb, ck the records of just about every fighter who ever fought, they are littered with softie's, journeymen, has been's, never wases, old, faded guys, ex champs, ex contenders. Since you dont know fighters go thru a building process. See that's where a real historian knows to look beyond a guys record to see what the real story was. Something which apparently you glossed over, some of those fights were what they call learning fights, some were activity fights, at least 2 tests, but of course that being beyond your intellect you cant comprehend what really is basic boxing knowledge. If he was such a non-entity why are we talking about him, most people who know about that era would say you dont know what the fu ck you talkin about. Merritt, was highly thought of at the time. King was no dummy when it came to HW's, the sad fact is Merritt was his own worst enemy. He was a BEAST, his power was major league. He was a wasted talent and he did have talent despite what you say.

Say what you want but that site is **** and the fact that they steal other peoples work and dont credit it says it all about how seriously they take themselves.

It is a good site, they have some very good articles so that by itself tells you how seriously they take themselves.

As for Vigh, you wouldnt even know his name if I gadnt mentioned it and that site wouldnt either if they hadnt stolen my post from boxrec nearly word for word. I know integrity means nothing to an uneducated pinheaded troll like you but some of us take it seriously.[/QUOTE]

First off you're right I didnt know who Vigh was or cared, I still dont and I am not poorer for it, sorry prof, should I be? "Integrity" bahahaha please stop. I would say anybody getting information, articles, reports from primary sources all they are doing is re-hashing what was written long ago, nothing original. In your case full of your biased spins, they took took what? Be happy that they acknowledged your work, you are not dealing with 'Time' magazine, you know.

All kidding aside prof, try to understand what you are writing about, boxing, is more then just two guys getting into a ring, it will make the experience so much better, and so that you can finally find out about those "unknown Cubans", I cant believe you actually wrote that.

 

Merritt was apparently a hard-hitting fighter and a tough gym fighter. No easy work out. His professional record isn't much good but no one ever said it was. He's probably best remembered for being a 'character' (= drug user, robber) and for being Don King's first fighter.

 

I think Merritt was the guy who fought Stan Ward. After the first round Ward's right eye was completely swelled shut. Between rounds Merritt was ragging on Ward, yelling and telling Ward to come out and fight, which Ward did and knocked Merritt stiff.

Willie "The Cannon" Shannon was another heavyweight much like Merritt.