Ali-Foreman II: Who would've won?

I hope you're joking. Ali took a ****ing beatdown from shavers and shavers couldn't put him away. same with Holmes. A pastprime foreman wouldnt do it. Ali from the wepner or bugner fight wins an even later stoppage against foreman but still does it. Foreman would fight the same way he did against young and that wouldn't work against Ali. Ali wouldn't need to rope a dope foreman if he can outbox him and outspeed him which he did. Why wouldn't Ali be able to outbox foreman to a decision?

 

A much smarter Foreman,,,,,,,,,,,an older Ali with the 'extreme turmoil' of a new wife:roll:

Of course, the bout is not held in a hot venue,,,,,,,,maybe Iceland.

 

tommy, shavers was much smaller than foreman, he had shorter reach, pathetic chin... foreman would stop ali in 1977, young was much better than ali in 1977. foreman did cut the ring better than shavers. ahahaa ali 77 would outbox foreman? this ali was weak, slow and pathetic.. simple. ali was finished in 1977

 

A shot 77' Ali gets stopped.

75 Ali outboxes foreman to a decision. Foreman may have been smarter, but not smart enough to beat Young. Foreman was the same fighter 76-77. he had more left then Ali. If the bout takes place 76-77 Ali gets stopped, badly. Ali struggled with shavers, young, evengelsita, and spinks, guys who didn't compare to foreman.

if they fight in 75 where foreman wasn't even active then Ali takes a decision. Foreman looked like **** in that exhibition. Ali still looked good in 75' when his legs weren't shot, the movement was there, and the combos were there. George loses in 75.

 

No,,,,,,,,late-1975
If Foreman came back, even without a tune-up, he walks thru Ali.
A better-paced 'Freight-Train',,,,,,,,,,a brutal beating in Iceland.

 

Yeah? Based on the foreman against those 4 men in toronto? Bull. ****. Foreman was completely exhausted and ended up arm punching just like in Zaire. Foreman would still eat counters and would have a huge problem with the hand speed.

you just have a problem with Ali. You always take stabs at him, no matter what. Insulting his resume, as a person, whatever. He still has enough to beat a depressed Foreman, who had looked like shot that year.

 

Just because I pick George Foreman to beat Muhammad Ali in late-1975.

Tell me, did I miss all the talent Ali showed versus Chuck Wepner.

And don't knock Jerry Judge,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he was the 3rd Best Heavyweight on his street.

 

No, you said he would go destroy him in 5 rounds. Foreman is typically tired by then, even going by his new paced fighting style he wouldn't just go through Muhammad Ali.

I brought up wepner because it showed Ali still had the combinations and footspeed that he had before. And he could wear someone out, even without the rope a dope.

After 75 I'd say it's all foreman.

 

I wouldn't go by the 5-ring Circus Act in Canada, to judge Foreman.

Just like I wouldn't judge Ali's skills by that Sushi-Circus in Japan.

 

it's the only time we saw foreman fight in 75. and anyway, foreman actually boxe with real boxers, that **** Ali did wasnt even boxing.

At least Ali took his leg kicks like a man instead of Trevor berbick who ran out of the ring like a puss

 

a patient, smart straight punching foreman couldn't knock out morrison. now, ali wouldn't be near as mobile as morrison but he was 100 times smarter with 50 times a superior chin. win? maybe. knock out in 5? just don't see it.

foreman in his prime wasn't smart. he was a clubbing fighter aided by incredible power and athleticism. any pre-76 ali outsmarts him

 

First of all, Ali would have again whipped himself into top condition for a Foreman rematch. Shavers had more hand speed and greater power than George (along with an 80 inch reach), still couldn't get the job done, and was going at the final bell. Now Earnie beat Henry Clark over the ten round distance and stopped Tiger Williams in the tenth the year prior to challenging Ali, so at least he'd been extended in some recent quality wins. Foreman did not produce any win lasting longer than five rounds between 1971 and 1987. He was exhausted at the end of the Toronto exhibition, and again at the conclusion of Young. Post jungle Ali owned George psychologically, and made Foreman the third fastest knockout victim during his second title run (after Dunn and Coopman). Take this into the championship rounds, and utterly horrible and ghastly things would be happening to a drunkenly reeling George.

Being champion, Ali would have dictated terms favorable to him, including a large ring with a fast surface. Foreman would still have been telegraphing. Muhammad's straight punching and hand speed are enormous advantages. George already knew from Kinshasa that Ali could take his best shots and respond with taunting. Foreman claims he never went into a bout looking to win a decision, something Shavers actually was known to do on rare occasions. (Clark I and Ali were two examples of this.) Foreman is not out boxing Muhammad from long range, and he's still going to get subjected to that debilitating neck yanking tactic from Ali in the clinches. (Being a dirty fighter himself, George wasn't one to complain about behaviors like this, which Archie Moore cited as the specific energy draining technique which weakened Foreman to be worn down enough to be susceptible to the knockout.)

The Ali of September 1977 still had what it took to absorb repeated bombs from Shavers and still prevail, taking nine rounds on all three cards. Foreman, still having never won past round five since 1971 very possibly doesn't last to the final bell before he succumbs.

 

Exactly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,George Foreman comes back smarter,

Jabs only, while Ali rests on the ropes for 3 rounds.
In Round 4, one big right hand, straight down Broadway gets in, and puts Ali in
La La Land.
It's the 'new and improved' George Foreman.

It all down hill from there!

 

but what fights from EITHER of them around that time leads you to believe that's a likely scenario? foreman would have to triple his ring IQ in a few months to execute a patient gameplan (see the lyle fight) and ali's chin would have to be brought down to norton level (see the shavers fight). that is possible but nowhere near the most likely outcome

 

Imo,up to,and including Manilla,Ali would have had the mental AND physical tools to beat Foreman in a rematch. I can't see him failing to do so. After Manilla,especially post 1976,he would still have had the mental requirements,but far less of the physical. Maybe the mental gifts would have been enough for the post Zaire George. Ironically,Foreman would have stood a better than even chance of beating a 1977 Ali,by employing exactly the same tactics as he did in 1974. Ali was no longer the same guy. Look at the difference between the Zaire Ali and the 'Shavers' one.