Ali (Frazier II) vs. Liston (Patterson I)

tougher fight for ali but still winnable. even in frazier 2 he had the movement to confuse liston. his chin was still rock solid and though sonny would have his moments, i give it to ali by decision

 

Prime Liston > Past Prime Ali

I see Manillalike slugfest with Liston taking the advantage in the first 10 rounds and Ali railing back just to come up short on the cards.

 

see despite his performance against patterson, i think sonny peaked some time before. i may be in the minority, but his intimidation was at its best but physically he was wearing down

even that liston i feel would be too slow to catch ali, whose movement in the second frazier fight allowed him to dominate (from what i've heard...)

 

Ali still had the style to casue a lot of problems for Liston. He would win a decision.

 

completely different fight with these version's because Ali speed and reflexe's were much slower, I'll go with Ali on points very tough fight

 

You could be right, because fights with Floyd were so short and liston couldn't present his boxing skills in full. Still Sonny would be very close to his prime, and Ali was starting to decline. He threw less punches, gave away many round just to take a rest (Norton fights), he wasn't dancing like in 1962.

 

agreed:good

 

Assuming this is scheduled for 15, I'm picking this version of Ali to stop that version of Liston sometime between the 10th and 15th round.

 

Good fight. Ali would still take it. I think he'd knock out Sonny late in the fight when the big bear tires out.

 

Good match up. After a very competitive first few rounds,Ali would start to get on top,because of his greater variety. Liston would get frustrated,and start making mistakes,which a still very fast and strong Ali would make him pay for. The referee would step in to rescue Liston by the thirteenth round.

 

Ali wins inside the disatnce. Liston tanks the fight for the mafia.

 

very tough one, this one. ali already lost some speed. alltough i agree with another poster listons prime was a little earlier. i think liston handles a slower ali better. alltough ali being still to fast. but it is gonna be a close call. liston ain't no foreman so no rope a dope for ali.
i say a ud for ali but a very close one

 

For Frazier II, Ali was the fastest he had been since 1967. He'd just had four consecutive fights over the 12 round distance, winning three, and narrowly losing the "Battle of Broken Jaw." He actually weighed less for Frazier II than he weighed for Cleveland Williams, and 212 matched the lowest weight of his second career. In that kind of condition, he didn't need to rope a dope Liston to take a rest, and Sonny was never very good at cutting off the ring anyways. (Check out Liston-Whitehurst and Liston-Martin for evidence of this over a period of more than a decade. Sonny never developed this ability. He wasn't Foreman.)

Bottom line is that Ali was still too fast and could do it for as long as necessary. Beyond that, he had the power to stun Frazier early and he staggered Foreman in round five later that year. Sonny was easy enough for him to hit that I don't see Liston getting to the final bell. Muhammad would stop him on cuts or otherwise force a late halt to the proceedings.