Ali-Gift Decisions?

id rather answer on 1 subject and know what im talking about than answer on a wide range i know **** all about . you wanna try it sometime.

Ive been pretty vocal on SRL threads too but chose to speak only when i feel i have something to offer. Id much rather be educated by the majority on here who know a lot more than me, its enlightening - again,you wanna try it sometime:good

 

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July 22, 1961

A Louisville Gift,,,,,,,,,

Alonzo Johnson chases 'Rabbit' Clay

Even in Louisville, one of the Judges Walter Beck (Louisville) scores it 48-47 (3-2-5 in Rounds) for Cassius Clay.

The Louisville 'Carrier-Journal Newspaper' scores it 47-46 (4-3-3 in Rounds) for Cassius Clay.

The Lexington 'Herald-Leader' scores it 47-47 (3-3-4 in Rounds) a 'Draw'.

 

it turns out u don't know what u'r posting about even on d only subject that u think u know about . So y won't u take your own advise about it and turn back in2 a privileged lurker ?

 

Didn't the other two judges score it 50-44 & 48-45?

 

ETM has it right in my opinion. Good analysis.

 

It's a case of great minds thinking alike,Frank


I debate on many boxing threads. As does johnmaff.

 

Correct Little Red,

Louisville Referee Don Asbury had it 50-44 and Louisville Judge Warwick Edwards 48-45,
while Judge Walter Beck was 'more-in-line' with a 48-47 scorecard.

Alonzo Johnson (Rankin, Pennyslvania), the 27 1/2 year-old veteran
had only won 2 of his previous 8 bouts, and by his own admission, said;

'I'm not going to get any decision in Louisville, especially in Freedom Hall
with all of Clay's supporters watching, and '3' local judges. So I have to
change my style a bit for this fight, and go for the knockout.'

 

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Frank is n't from our world,johnmaff. He's residing in a parallel universe where history's panned out in a similar way to here,but with minor alterations. Such as -

Doug Jones UD 10 Cassius Clay
George Chuvalo UD 12 & 15 Muhammad Ali

George Foreman/Muhammad Ali - It never happened.

 

correct , except that my universe is d relevant part of this universe .

- under normal conditions George Foreman TKO8 Muhammad Ali , but in d relevant part of our universe they never fought under normal conditions so it isn't relevant .

 

3rd Norton fight for sure. Other close calls were Young, Shavers, and Jones.

 

Ali is tricky.

One could say he had 5 or 6 gifts, on one extreme. The other, you can say he had none.

Every single fight we refer to was close. Quite a solid group score Norton III for Ali. The majority score Shavers for Ali. A vast, vast majority score Jones and Frazier II for Ali.

So, it depends on what you like.

I like to say that Ali got the benefit of the doubt against many folks. Can't say I ever saw any of his foes out and out robbed, though. There are really strong arguments for Norton III and Young. I'd have been totally cool with Norton taking the nod, because the guy deserved the title and fought the whole fight(Before the key 15th, which is a tragedy) taking the fight to the champion. Young displayed such poor ring generalship and sportsmanship, I can't say I don't understand why he got skunked, even if he might in fact be the one guy with a solid claim to being truly jobbed. Judging a bout at ringside, any man can get really turned off by negative tactics. My uncle was a judge in a southern circuit, and burned with shame because he jobbed a fighter once who fought who he thought, at the time, fought "disgracefully".

 

Maybe Young displayed bad sportsmen ship in a sense. Then again Ali displayed bad sportsmanship throughout his career. Taunting, talking, grabbing, gesturing to the crowd.

No reason at all for Young to lose that fight other than the fact that the boxing establishment wanted to milk his name for all that it was worth.

Some Ali fans may get mad at me for saying this but had some of these decisions gone against Ali maybe he wouldnt be as bad of condition today as he is.

 

In that he'd have stopped fighting world class killers chasing glory?

You are just incorrect, sir. Every loss keeps him in the game for atleast another fight. The dude would have died to be champion; The Holmes massacre proved that and the Spinks II debacle proved that.

And holding, taunting, and playing to the crowd...Professional prizefighting. Most judges are cool with it as long as you don't stop punching for 45 second intervals or more.