Ali H2H

Looked to me like he felt it all the way down to his boots

 

Yea i guess,probably wasnt expecting it.And i think he knew he wouldnt out box Hearns bc of the speed and sharp punching without trying to k.o him,so he started clowning around,makes you wonder why that video was not really complete footage?

 

Tell me HeroGee, how many fighters did Ali give up 15 or more pounds to, and who if any had a greater reach among his opponents?

Answer, just Two were 15+ pounds heavier. Blue Lewis and Buster Mathis. Blue Lewis was not very good. And Mathis was fat.

In 61 fights, Ali had a weight advantage in 51 of them by my count. So he was almost always the bigger man. And I bet he almost always had a reach advantage too. And the same for the height. My point stands.

In the other 8 fights where Ali was lighter, he gave up anywhere from 2-10 pounds. That's it. But he was taller and had the reach for the most part in these matches!

If you saw Ali above 220 pounds, he was MUCH slower. His optimal weight was 212-215. Here he had more stamina and speed, two crucial elements of his game.

So now you have some facts. You are dismissed. Next time come back wiser.

 

Ali was probably big enough to beat the modern superheavyweights.

Yes he would be lighter than them, but he would not actually be giving up much in terms of height and reach.

Given his advantage in speed, this would not be an insurmountable problem.

 

Big enough I agree, but he would be giving up 2-3" in height and reach and about 25+ pounds.

Adding weight on Ali past 220 would not make him better.

Champs like Lewis, Klitschko, Bowe and Joshua would not fall for a rope a dope and are more skilled than Foreman.

 

you lie. why do you need to lie so much?

 

But what exactly is it about being big that makes them better? Foreman was stronger than any super heavy that ever lived and he got beat by guys you say would be cruisers today. There aren't really any 250+ guys out there and not too many 6'5" plus guys. Fury, Wlad, Wilder and Joshua are the tallest and are in the 240s/220s. Everyone else is 6'4 and under. Most of those guys are shorter than their actual listing too. That being said an inch or two in height difference isn't going to break Ali. If you're standing 20 or 30 feet from two guys and they only have an inch in height difference it is almost impossible to tell.

I disagree about Holyfield. He didn't see his first loss until he was 30 and that was to prime Riddick Bowe. The only real heavyweight that Haye lost to is Klitschko. Wlad is a lot more skilled than Haye is anyway so the size difference doesn't matter.

 

6' 3'' and 78-80'' reach are not small dimensions for a heavyweight today.

Some of the old timers were not actually that small when you get down to the nuts and bolts.

Given that Ali would have a speed advantage over all of these guys, I am not certain how much of an edge their size advantage would give them.

Terrell was a good 6' 6'' with an 81'' reach, and it didn't help him much.

 

No not really. A punch to the chin from anyone 200+ regardless if they are a power puncher or not is going to knock out any heavyweight regardless if they are 250 lbs. It's because body mechanics change the more a fighter weighs.

Yes they can inflict more damage with fewer punches but they don't have the stamina to throw as many punches as some that is 220 so it evens out. Body mechanics.

Simply leaning back is a terrible strategy for any fighter and it is really boxing 101 not to do that. If a fighter leans back they leave the body completely unprotected and all the other fighter has to do is step in with a jab or right hand and its lights out.

To tire your opponent out by leaning on them in clinches takes a significant amount. To the point where it gets excessive. Doing that against atg's who can fight in the clinch or aren't short by a large amount is another bad idea. Ali is only 2 inches shorter than Lewis, Bowe and Wlad so it wouldn't work. He doesn't come forward either so clinching would mean they have to actively cut off the ring to get to Ali just to clinch. It's moronic.

Yes, heavyweights of today are heavier than that of the past. However we aren't comparing past generations, just the top fighters like Ali in this case. Guys today like Arreola, Ruiz, Breazeale and other heavies of today are fatter too. There is no denying that guys from 30-40 years ago were in far better shape than anyone today.

Foreman was winning because he had a very good jab during the early part of his career and once guys started to be scared of him he started to forgo that because he could rely on his power. It was really his power that got him places in boxing. It proved to be his Achilles heel too. Excluding Shavers, nobody has really ever had punching power on the level that Foreman did.

 

"6' 3'' and 78-80'' reach are not small dimensions for a heavyweight today."

Wrong!

 

Ali the greatest H2H fighter of all time.

 

I just put my feet up after a hard day and seen this, it made me laugh , i guess George has been sending these guys free grills or something ! LOL

 

If Ali can survive a round with Liston blind, guys like Lennox and AJ aren't catching him.
These guys are way too immobile for Ali.

Do we forget so soon?
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